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In Defense of Price Gouging
American Enterprise Institute | John Lott

Posted on 09/01/2005 4:22:37 AM PDT by chronic_loser

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To: SeeRushToldU_So
"Today there will be people in Atlanta who might not be able to drive their own cars to work, to doctors appointments or to buy groceries who would otherwise be driving if gas stations throughout Atlanta had raised their prices in response to the increased demand and limited supply."

This statement alone pretty well ruined any "Logical" statement he/she/it was trying to make. How about the poor slob who, since this is close to the end of the week, has maybe $5-$10.00 in their pockets?

Guess it's really sad now that the "Elite" folks can't buy gas because they loaded up, but poo-poo to the poor slob who can't buy the gas needed to to go work because some friggin shyster raised "it's" prices to $5.00+ per gallon.

61 posted on 09/01/2005 5:27:06 AM PDT by JustAnAmerican (Americans hire Americans. Traitors hire Illegals.)
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To: OldSmaj

We can only hope Top.


62 posted on 09/01/2005 5:27:22 AM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: chronic_loser

There is no DOUBT profiteering and Gouging is going on... watch my local gas stations go from 245 to 2.69 to 2.99 same gas station over just a few hours.... No way they were taking new higher priced shipments in between the increases....

I feel for folks actually trying to survive down in the actual devestated zone, if they are willing to gouge wantonly thousands of miles away, lord knows how bad its got to be in the gulf coast area.

I want to know the name of EVERY company, franchise etc that gouges these people... So I can make it a point NEVER EVER EVER to spend a dime at those companies or subsidiaries again.


63 posted on 09/01/2005 5:28:36 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: untrained skeptic; RFEngineer; grjr21
...if only they would have sold gas at the price YOU wanted to pay...

There's more than one way of controlling prices.   Nixon's way was stupid-- anyone who raises the asked-for price goes to jail.   The better way is to get the word out on who's selling what and where.   The definition of 'pure capitalism' is a situation where sales are made where no one seller and no one buyer can affect the price.  We need that restored before we need electricity.

64 posted on 09/01/2005 5:29:31 AM PDT by expat_panama
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To: KC_Conspirator

"This same market that these companies paid lobbyists on Capitol Hill to shut out all competetors."

Politics distorts free markets. That lobbyists are paid at all is proof of this.

"Go to hell you bum."

Anger is often the first step to learning. Welcome to economics 101.


65 posted on 09/01/2005 5:30:01 AM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: RFEngineer
Well merchants will respond rationally - if politics demand that they sell at a loss, then they won't sell, and shortages will result.

No argument from me.

The subject, however, is whether or not gouging is something which should be defended as a good and natural thing.

I doubt even Adam Smith would defend pirates.

Politicians can either leave it alone, or create shortages. That's it. Most of them will opt for the former, while pretending to take action to magically reduce prices and increase availability.

Again, no argument from me.

Even during World War II, when the need for intervention was obvious to most people, wage, price controls and an extensive rationing system gave birth to black markets and profiteering.  But the controls were required to distribute goods where they needed to go and still provide the folks at home with some sense of fairness.

There's a reason Adam Smith is known as the first political economist.  Economics is not a science and neither is the operation of markets.

 

66 posted on 09/01/2005 5:30:46 AM PDT by Racehorse (Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.)
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To: SeeRushToldU_So
As the panic spread, and the demand increased, the prices at the pumps were pretty much unchanged ... for a while. As a result people decided to top off every vehicle they owned .. .no matter how much gas remained in the tank. The predictable result was that stations soon ran out of fuel. The word spread, and more people hit the streets to fill more cars. Today people in Atlanta will find that many gas stations still have their pumps shut down. Throughout the night tanker trucks were busy trying to replenish the stations, but there simply aren't enough trucks to meet this demand. Another supply problem.

But again the problem is self limiting. Once all the empty tanks are filled, nothing else remains to fill.

67 posted on 09/01/2005 5:31:00 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (No wonder the Southern Baptist Church threw Greer out: Only one god per church! [Ann Coulter])
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To: OldFriend
Then hooray for the service station "cabal"! They served a very important and noble public good!

They are training the public not to be like foolish children. Not to panic like ninnies on rumours.

68 posted on 09/01/2005 5:32:24 AM PDT by bvw
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To: Graybeard58
. . . they are going to be listening a lot to the "get something for nothing bunch" and that's who they will vote for.

Hugo Chavez comes to mind, sad to say.  :-)

69 posted on 09/01/2005 5:33:06 AM PDT by Racehorse (Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.)
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To: JustAnAmerican
..... go work because some friggin shyster raised "it's" prices to $5.00+ per gallon.

Prove it.

70 posted on 09/01/2005 5:33:33 AM PDT by SeeRushToldU_So (It is hotter than two rats screwing in a wool sock in GA.)
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To: Gondring

In fact, the ancient Hebrews didn't do so to one another, and somehow they got along.


71 posted on 09/01/2005 5:33:40 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (No wonder the Southern Baptist Church threw Greer out: Only one god per church! [Ann Coulter])
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To: RFEngineer
Well said. We must have had the same teacher.

Lott should stick to writing about guns.

72 posted on 09/01/2005 5:34:28 AM PDT by KC_Conspirator (This space outsourced to India)
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To: chronic_loser

For those who are railing against "price gouging" ask them this simple question: "Would you rather be able to buy all the gasoline you want (need) at $6 a gallon or NOT be able to buy any gasoline at $3 a gallon?"


73 posted on 09/01/2005 5:35:40 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

And those that ignore the laws of economics in the name of populism are doomed to reap the disasters of their misguided policies.

What's better: Buying gas at $3.50 a gallon, or no gas at $2.50 a gallon?

The free market is the ultimate rationing system. In times of crisis, it forces people to make the hard choices between 'needs' and 'wants', conserving scarce resources for the people who actually need them.


74 posted on 09/01/2005 5:35:45 AM PDT by flashbunny (Always remember to bring a towel!)
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To: bvw

The sheeple learn nothing.


75 posted on 09/01/2005 5:36:25 AM PDT by OldFriend (MAJ. TAMMY DUCKWORTH ~ A NATIONAL TREASURE)
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To: flashbunny

There are other laws, such as the law of memory.


76 posted on 09/01/2005 5:37:10 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (No wonder the Southern Baptist Church threw Greer out: Only one god per church! [Ann Coulter])
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To: chronic_loser

Another economist, Walter Williams or Thomas Sowell has also written about why "price gouging" is good:

The increase in price caused by demand exceeding supply results in an increase in the rate at which additional supplies of the commodity in question will arrive in the area with the shortage.

The increase in price also helps to discourage hoarding.


77 posted on 09/01/2005 5:37:42 AM PDT by George Smiley (This tagline deliberately targeted journalists.)
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To: KC_Conspirator

How about articles by a doctor of economics that conclude the same thing?

Or maybe the economist should stick to talking about economics...or something.


78 posted on 09/01/2005 5:37:51 AM PDT by flashbunny (Always remember to bring a towel!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

nice platitude.

It, however, is useless when there is an actual event that constricts the available supply of a commodity.

But, by all means, keep coming up with them. Maybe you can fill up your gas tank with them.


79 posted on 09/01/2005 5:39:15 AM PDT by flashbunny (Always remember to bring a towel!)
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To: chronic_loser
John Lott is the author. I checked, wondering if it might be Walter E. Williams.

It takes courage and principle to resist the left-wing pressure of "objective" journalists and the politicians like Hillary who sail down the resulting propaganda wind. Anyone with that sort of courage and conviction will be called a right wing extremist by Hillary and the "objective" journalists who promoted the fraudulent 60 Minutes hit piece on Bush which was designed as the Democrats' 2004 October Surprise. Same people who tried to spike the SBVT at the same time.

Claiming objectivity only proves that you are not objective.

"O’Sullivan’s First Law" states that
"All organizations that are not actually right-wing will over time become left-wing."

80 posted on 09/01/2005 5:39:39 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters but PR.)
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