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Ten Year Old, Arrested for Giving Food to Terri Schiavo, Apologizes
LifeSite ^ | August 31, 2005

Posted on 09/01/2005 9:51:24 AM PDT by NYer

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To: NYer
How perverted! The authorities should apologize to the boy. The boy tried to be a good person and do the right thing.

As Martin Katz said, what kind of society are we when we use armed guards to prevent a mother from putting water on the lips of her dying child.

51 posted on 09/01/2005 10:22:23 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: My2Cents

See my last post. Child was under duress. Child knows that Pinellas County has KILLER JUDGES. The child will know he told a lie for the rest of his life. Guess he won't have any faith in a justice system that kills people and makes children PERJURE THEMSELVES.


52 posted on 09/01/2005 10:22:32 AM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org Daily Newsfeeds & Weekly Update)
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To: Salt Grain
Salt Grain
Since Sep 1, 2005

Did you sign up today just to assure us that this boy didn't write his own "apology"?

53 posted on 09/01/2005 10:23:10 AM PDT by My2Cents
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To: friendly

I agree. He's a great guy, has the right values.


54 posted on 09/01/2005 10:23:30 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: NYer

"In court Joshua pleaded guilty and was sentenced to 25 hours of community service and ordered to write an apology for his actions"

This goes BEYOND sad. My BIGGEST problem with the whole case was the judge FORBIDDING ice, water to be given to Terri. If they wanted to withhold her feeding tube...I guess that was one thing. But to withhold water given by natural means is what makes this so heinous. Had they given her water, she might have swallowed on her own...which Michael Shiavo couldn't have! If she had not been able to take water by mouth, then at least she would have had her lips moistened and she would have been more comfortable. And one could say that she was not being kept alive artifically, BUT ALSO that she wasn't denied basic human rights.


55 posted on 09/01/2005 10:24:14 AM PDT by t2buckeye
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To: NYer

In that Kangaroo court, "community service" is probably defined as euthanizing unwanted animals at the pound....

There is no way in hell that I would set foot (or spend dollars) in Pinellas County.


56 posted on 09/01/2005 10:24:23 AM PDT by GadareneDemoniac
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To: My2Cents
Solid red no more. I'm voting Alex Sink for Chief Financial Officer instead of Tom Lee, Senate President. Tom Lee was unable to get NINE GOP Senators to vote to save Terri. So, Terri's dead.

GOP's redness is over. They won't even talk to Terri supporters. They hang up on them and take them off their email lists.

57 posted on 09/01/2005 10:24:34 AM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org Daily Newsfeeds & Weekly Update)
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To: My2Cents
I would certainly hope that this young man got his values from his parents. That's usually the way it works. Where do you kids get their values? From the street? Or worse, from public schools?

Sure, I completely agree with you. My point is that these people who are claiming that this child making the decision to break the law here was an independent decision are wrong. This child was used by his parents to make a political point and I have a problem with that. Apparently, many people here don't. But would they be as respectful of a 10-year-old who acted on behalf of a cause they don't agree with? I doubt it.
58 posted on 09/01/2005 10:25:29 AM PDT by Stone Mountain
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To: floriduh voter

Precisely. And another poster on this thread has the gall to tell me that Florida is a "solid red state" and that everything there is just rosy.


59 posted on 09/01/2005 10:25:30 AM PDT by My2Cents
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To: Stone Mountain
This child was used by his parents to make a political point and I have a problem with that.

And how precisely are you aware of that "fact"?

60 posted on 09/01/2005 10:26:40 AM PDT by My2Cents
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To: GregoTX

A great boy. The parents should be very proud.


61 posted on 09/01/2005 10:28:12 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: My2Cents

...still believe Terry was murdered....


62 posted on 09/01/2005 10:29:38 AM PDT by auto power
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To: NYer; All
This is a direct reply to Joshua:

Dear Josh, you have NOTHING to be sorry for! Sweety, you did the Christian and Humanitarian thing by attempting to help a human being in need.

I am sorry that in your young life you had to think about things so heavy in nature, rather than playing ball, being with your friends, and being a kid.

The fact that you took the time to help someone out of the goodness in your heart speaks volumes about your character.

Most kids your age could have cared less about the situation, and even my sons - who are teenagers - did not get as deeply involved as you.

You are a wonderful young man, a gift from God, with truly much potential to help this world.

You are destined for greatness, and I wish you had not felt the need to apologize. It is a great gesture to apologize , and the way in which you did it - stressing this act was something Jesus would have done - shows how deeply you care in your heart, and you will truly be blessed for bringing Jesus' name into the courthouse.

Joshua, I hold you up to Jesus, and please know He will never leave you. If I were close to you, I would hold you tight, and pray with you, for the good you tried to do.

It is the court system that should apologize to you - you did the RIGHT thing - they did not.

God Bless you, Joshua. And do not ever stop standing up for what you believe in. You are right, Jesus would have done the same thing, without fear of the police, and He would have pointed out that THEY were wrong, just as He did in the scriptures when He talked to those who had Him put to death. Do not ever lose your Faith.

It is young people like you who will one day lead this world, and I pray there are many more out there like you.

May God always keep you strong, Just Kimberly

Dear FReepers - I pray all of us Conservative Christian Republicans are raising amazing children like this. As I said, my own sons did not get heavily involved with Terri's case - I suppose because we are so far away and they are kids - living their own life.

Let us all learn from this young man, and strive to turn out the entire generation JUST LIKE HIM. JK

63 posted on 09/01/2005 10:29:47 AM PDT by Just Kimberly (Always proud, Always American, Always Trust in God...HOOAH!!( and Terri - we will never forget.))
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To: Stone Mountain
Way to exploit a child for a political cause - what a wonderful father....

The proud father said it was his son's own initiative to attempt to give the starving woman a glass of water, and despite the warning of his parents that he'd be arrested, the boy insisted. "He was the one who begged us to go down, because he wanted to give her a glass of water . . . We explained that police will never let you help . . . you'll be arrested, but he went anyways."

The father said that it was the son's own idea. I guess he raised him right.

And since I'm here, the son didn't actually apologize at all. He said he was sorry that they didn't like what he did. Good kid. Good family.

64 posted on 09/01/2005 10:30:06 AM PDT by my_pointy_head_is_sharp (We're living in the Dark Ages.)
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To: My2Cents

on most issues it is.....as is my own crappy blue state.


65 posted on 09/01/2005 10:30:09 AM PDT by Vaquero (a red stater trapped in the body of a blue state.)
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To: Stone Mountain

If you're asking if he got his values from his parents, which contributed to his actions, of course he did.

As to whether they put him up to this particular action on purpose, I believe if that had been the case, it would have been brought up by the DA or whomever it was and the charges would have been dropped.


66 posted on 09/01/2005 10:30:51 AM PDT by WinOne4TheGipper (Abortion: The new starvation.)
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To: My2Cents
This child was used by his parents to make a political point and I have a problem with that. And how precisely are you aware of that "fact"?

It is a conclusion I have come to based on the comments of the child, the father, and what I know about 10-year-olds. This boy would not have been able to do what he did independently of his parents.

If you think my above statement is incorrect, what do you believe was going on? Do you really believe that the child's actions were completely independent? If you do, do you believe that this child would have been allowed to protest for a cause that his parents didn't belive in?

67 posted on 09/01/2005 10:30:58 AM PDT by Stone Mountain
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To: My2Cents
Rosy? LOL It's over. I don't like being hung up on because am pro-life by Pinellas GOP HQs. They also lost the Catholic vote because Terri was martyred. She needed a rescue. She was tortured and murdered by the State of Florida's excellent medicaid program, euthanazi's, hospice, Michael Schiavo, his death lawyers, JUDGE GREER

www.judgegeorgegreer.com.

Terri was murdered and the GOP was right in there voting for her extermination while saying they supported "a culture of life." Yeah, right.

68 posted on 09/01/2005 10:31:23 AM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org Daily Newsfeeds & Weekly Update)
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To: Dante3

And if the letter is not accepted what? Are they going to put the little kid in an iron maiden or on the rack? FLORIDA IS BARBARIC!


69 posted on 09/01/2005 10:32:15 AM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org Daily Newsfeeds & Weekly Update)
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To: Stone Mountain
Way to exploit a child for a political cause - what a wonderful father....

What do you expect from a registered sex offender.

According to Editor and Publisher, The Charlotte Observer reported that he had pleaded guilty to sexual battery, was in jail for parts of 1992 and 1993, according to court records, and served time on probation.

"...Heldreth was arrested after an incident at Ohio University and charged with two counts of rape and one count of kidnapping."

Seems that he doesn't really care about other people, even willing to use his own kids. If a child wanted to play in traffic, I'm sure an excuse of "but the kid wanted to" wouldn't hold much water...but all reason goes out the door when hysTerria hits.

70 posted on 09/01/2005 10:32:25 AM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: NYer

"And a little child shall lead them."


71 posted on 09/01/2005 10:34:06 AM PDT by Aliska
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To: bahblahbah
Did you read the part about how it was Joshua's idea to go? His parents told him what would happen - but he felt so strongly HE HAD to go?

FReepers and Conservatives do NOT USE their children in protests.

Our children are raised with values, morals, and the ability to make up their own minds.

While my sons did not become so strongly involved in this issue - there have been many times THEY have come to me with situations I was not aware of - FURIOUS and wanting to take action.

Using children - that would be the Lefties you must be thinking about.

You may want to check out the websites for the "other side". JK

72 posted on 09/01/2005 10:34:07 AM PDT by Just Kimberly (Always proud, Always American, Always Trust in God...HOOAH!!( and Terri - we will never forget.))
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To: 8mmMauser; Republic
And Judge James Whittemore, Fed. Crt, Tampa who REFUSED TO RESTORE TERRI'S FEEDING TUBE & Hydration. REFUSED and he browbeated her parents during the federal court trial! Whittemore aided and abetted her murder.

There was no DE NOVO (brand new) HEARING. Judge Whittemore did not LISTEN TO CONGRESS. Now people are dehydrating and starving in NO. It breaks my heart.

73 posted on 09/01/2005 10:35:06 AM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org Daily Newsfeeds & Weekly Update)
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To: my_pointy_head_is_sharp
The father said that it was the son's own idea.

Call me crazy, but I don't believe that. And even if it was his own idea, he's not capable of doing something like that without his parent's help. And again, what if the child wanted to do something politically that the parents disagreed with - do you really think the father would have agreed to that? What if a child wanted to protest the Iraw war and got himself arrested for trespassing at City Hall. Would everyone here still be talking about how independent this child was or how the child was manipulated by his evil liberal parents/media/public schools?

It's clear to me that this child is expressing the views of his parents. If you don't believe that, then I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

74 posted on 09/01/2005 10:36:42 AM PDT by Stone Mountain
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To: floriduh voter
GOP's redness is over. They won't even talk to Terri supporters. They hang up on them and take them off their email lists.

Considering the fanaticism of the Terri supporters we've seen around here, can't say that I blame them.

75 posted on 09/01/2005 10:37:13 AM PDT by Modernman ("A conservative government is an organized hypocrisy." -Disraeli)
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To: txrangerette
Considering the fact that NOTHING in Terri's case made any sense - why would anything about this make sense?

Why would they consider Joshua's rights and consult the Constitution, when they didn't give a rip about it regarding a starving, dying woman? JK

76 posted on 09/01/2005 10:37:14 AM PDT by Just Kimberly (Always proud, Always American, Always Trust in God...HOOAH!!( and Terri - we will never forget.))
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To: WinOne4TheGipper
As to whether they put him up to this particular action on purpose, I believe if that had been the case, it would have been brought up by the DA or whomever it was and the charges would have been dropped

I believe that the father encouraged the boy. Do you?
77 posted on 09/01/2005 10:37:40 AM PDT by Stone Mountain
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To: txrangerette
Exactly. The story implies he apologizes for his actions, when really he didn't. He gave a Kerryesque "I am sorry that you didn't like that..." that didn't imply any regret for his actions.

He's learned deception and oblique-speak well from his Government-Intrusion Leftie idols.

78 posted on 09/01/2005 10:38:26 AM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham
To do so is to force a person to admit guilt;

Which was a possibly unforeseen ramification of the "guilty" plea he made. I would have suggested "no contest."

79 posted on 09/01/2005 10:39:40 AM PDT by drlevy88
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To: Stone Mountain

In the mind of this 10 year old and most other rational thinking adults, it was far bigger than politics. It was about a woman being starved to death, to include dehydration by the very authorities that are to protect her.

If Christ moved this boys soul to do this, who are we to question that. In fact....WHY would anyone question that?

Only a politician would of course!


80 posted on 09/01/2005 10:39:42 AM PDT by MadeInAmerica
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To: Just Kimberly
Did you read the part about how it was Joshua's idea to go? His parents told him what would happen - but he felt so strongly HE HAD to go?

So you really believe that he came to this idea all by himself and that his parents actually tried to discourage him? Really?
81 posted on 09/01/2005 10:39:42 AM PDT by Stone Mountain
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To: Stone Mountain
No disrespect intended - but you have been a member here since 2000. How can you not understand this - other than the fact that you did not read the thread?

Why is it so impossible to believe that Joshua did this of his own FREE WILL? Because MOST children would not?

And, if they would not - what does that say about the parents raising THEM?

I truly would have thought FReepers would be raising this child up, rather than condeming his parents.

Those thoughts, however, are something you will have to explain to God when you get there. JK

82 posted on 09/01/2005 10:40:56 AM PDT by Just Kimberly (Always proud, Always American, Always Trust in God...HOOAH!!( and Terri - we will never forget.))
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To: Gondring

I'm sure you're salivating all over your self over this.


83 posted on 09/01/2005 10:41:19 AM PDT by drlevy88
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To: MadeInAmerica
If Christ moved this boys soul to do this, who are we to question that. In fact....WHY would anyone question that?

Becaue he's only 10 years old and is clearly expressing the views of his parents. If Christ moved this boy to protest the Iraq war and get himself arrested for trespassing, am I to believe that most everyone here would be supporting him as well?
84 posted on 09/01/2005 10:41:25 AM PDT by Stone Mountain
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To: NYer

Apologies ala re-education camps of Vietnam


85 posted on 09/01/2005 10:44:04 AM PDT by joesnuffy (Save the whales. Redeem them for valuable prizes.)
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To: NYer

If only our leaders were as bold and courageous as this kid

WOW


86 posted on 09/01/2005 10:45:14 AM PDT by joesnuffy (Save the whales. Redeem them for valuable prizes.)
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To: Stone Mountain

That is a fallacy of logic. You can't combine the two issues like that. Iraq War is one thing......Starving and dehydrating a brain damaged woman in a hospital is another!!!


87 posted on 09/01/2005 10:45:46 AM PDT by MadeInAmerica
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To: Stone Mountain
Are you sure you are posting at the correct website?

Even before I became a FReeper, I have witnessed only the 'peace' people using children and shoving them out the door to protests.

When children are raised in a home based on Faith, and are taught values and morals - the response Joshua displyed is natural.

They are taught right from wrong, know right from wrong, and make decisions based on what they know and believe.

Jesus works through those that are like children in their hearts - why not a child specifically? JK

89 posted on 09/01/2005 10:46:39 AM PDT by Just Kimberly (Always proud, Always American, Always Trust in God...HOOAH!!( and Terri - we will never forget.))
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To: Just Kimberly
No disrespect intended - but you have been a member here since 2000. How can you not understand this - other than the fact that you did not read the thread?

Well, it does sound disrespectful. I have a point of view different than that of yours. That doesn't mean I don't understand the issue. I hope you can recognize the distinction.

Why is it so impossible to believe that Joshua did this of his own FREE WILL? Because MOST children would not?

That's one reason. Also, he is expressing the views of his parents, and most people understand that a child's "free will" is still a work in process at age 10. Again, I will ask - what if this child was arrested protesting the Iraq war? Would you still be as supportive of a child being exploited in this way?

And, if they would not - what does that say about the parents raising THEM? I truly would have thought FReepers would be raising this child up, rather than condeming his parents.

I don't have a problem with the child. I have a problem with his parents for allowing him to be used this way.
90 posted on 09/01/2005 10:49:01 AM PDT by Stone Mountain
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To: Stone Mountain

Yes.


91 posted on 09/01/2005 10:50:24 AM PDT by Just Kimberly (Always proud, Always American, Always Trust in God...HOOAH!!( and Terri - we will never forget.))
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To: MadeInAmerica
That is a fallacy of logic. You can't combine the two issues like that. Iraq War is one thing......Starving and dehydrating a brain damaged woman in a hospital is another!!!

This is my point. For certain people out there, these are both moral issues. Obviously not for most people here, but that's why I made the analogy. You can't say that it's alright for a 10-yr-old to make his own moral choice and act on it for one viewpoint, but not another because you happen to disagree with one of the viewpoints. My point is that a 10-yr-old isn't really capable of making these decision - he is parroting his parents views. Now since many here happen to agree with the parents, they are cutting them slack for allowing their child to be used in this way. But it's a different story when they don't agree with the political message.
92 posted on 09/01/2005 10:53:20 AM PDT by Stone Mountain
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To: Stone Mountain

If he did, DA would have brought it up, wouldn't he/she? I mean, it is kind of embarassing that the only one you can nab in this is a 10 year old?


93 posted on 09/01/2005 10:55:28 AM PDT by WinOne4TheGipper (Abortion: The new starvation.)
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To: Stone Mountain

I don't think a lot of people give 10 year old's enough credit. Ten year olds are capable of watching the news and coming to the same decisions we are. He may have said, "I want to do this." and his parents said, "Okay."


94 posted on 09/01/2005 10:55:44 AM PDT by HungarianGypsy (They're coming to take me away.....)
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To: My2Cents
What a disgusting spectacle. May God keep me far away from Florida.

Florida is the Land of Satan BUMP

95 posted on 09/01/2005 10:55:53 AM PDT by montag813
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

"To do so is to force a person to admit guilt; something anathema to our justice system."

He did admit guilt, though. I like to think I'd plead not guilty, and accuse the judge of acting as an accomplice to murder. On the other hand, maybe he doesn't see this as something he's going to have to explain to The Judge, when he stands before Him, so while guilty isn't exactly what he is, he'll admit to it to let things calm down, while we supposed adults figure out what to do next. And the children shall lead them...


96 posted on 09/01/2005 10:56:49 AM PDT by Old Student (WRM, MSgt, USAF (Ret.))
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To: NYer
Joshua added, "I am sorry that you didn't like that and wouldn't allow me to help save her life and one day you will have to tell God why. I won't be able to help you then like I tried to help her. I will pray for you every day "

Nominate this kid for something - he's a real American!

97 posted on 09/01/2005 10:58:52 AM PDT by patriot_wes (papal infallibility - a proud tradition since 1869)
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To: Just Kimberly
Are you sure you are posting at the correct website?

Wow, someone who has been here for a few months is asking me if the site I've been posting at for 5 years plus is correct? Yes, I know where I am.

Even before I became a FReeper, I have witnessed only the 'peace' people using children and shoving them out the door to protests.

Yes. I have a huge problem with that too. Children shouldn't be exploited for political purposes.

When children are raised in a home based on Faith, and are taught values and morals - the response Joshua displyed is natural.


I agree that having those feelings is natural. I don't believe that him showing up at the site and getting arrested is, though. I believe that his parents encouraged him to do so by taking him there and telling him that his actions were like those of Jesus Christ. I have a problem with parents using a 10-yr-old to make a political point. Even a point that I agree with.
98 posted on 09/01/2005 10:59:18 AM PDT by Stone Mountain
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To: My2Cents
Maybe the Florida GOP can run him against Bill Nelson.

Heck, give him a few more years and they just might.

99 posted on 09/01/2005 11:00:23 AM PDT by darkangel82
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To: 2ndMostConservativeBrdMember; afraidfortherepublic; Alas; al_c; american colleen; annalex; ...


100 posted on 09/01/2005 11:00:35 AM PDT by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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