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Hear, hear.
1 posted on 09/02/2005 10:05:19 PM PDT by NonZeroSum
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To: NonZeroSum
I changed my sig line because of endless 'debates' with freepers on this.

They weren't really debates, though. It was more like trying to argue economic laws and detailed history against emotion and hatred for 'big oil' and gas station owners. Heck, I even got a few biblical versus thrown at me, and found out Jesus wanted a socialistic society!

Ultimately, when confronted by these people, the question you have to ask them is this:

Would you rather be able to buy gas at $3.50 a gallon, or not be able to buy gas at $2.50 a gallon?

Most of them slink away and fail to answer that one.
2 posted on 09/02/2005 10:08:45 PM PDT by flashbunny (Defending the free market on free republic is like having to defend the flag at a VFW convention.)
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To: NonZeroSum
I posted this same sentiment days ago. Gouging is the Free Markets way of stopping irrational hording in its tracks.

Doing anything against gouging is like taking only a small step - over the cliff. Its not even a slippery slope, its a straight drop to total price controls and the resultant massive shortages.

We've been there, we've watched the Communist societies fall apart and we've had plenty of time to learn. LEAVE THE MARKET ALONE.It will level the playing field all by itself.
3 posted on 09/02/2005 10:12:13 PM PDT by konaice
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To: NonZeroSum

I just laughed earlier today when I saw people RUSHING and lining up to by $3.22 regular gas this afternoon in DC.

Seriously... people that usually only get 10 or 15 dollars worth were waiting in line to 'fill up' at the higher prices.

I laughed, and joked with a friend of mine at the ninnies that get suckerd into actually going out of their way to pay more for something they don't really need.

I put $10 in (which was like 3.2gal) and told the cashier I'd be back in a week or so when they hysteria had faded.


6 posted on 09/02/2005 10:17:23 PM PDT by FreedomNeocon (I'm in no Al-Samood for this Sheiite.)
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Surely it is worth mentioning that the market is already being influenced by some unnatural forces. The market left to it's own has dictated for years that additional refining capacity and shipping options were dictated however the environmentalist and their willing wh**es in the halls of politics have not permitted these issues to be addressed. To some degree you may say that a pseudo socialism has already influenced our energy market.
12 posted on 09/02/2005 10:23:29 PM PDT by kublia khan (absolute war brings total victory)
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To: NonZeroSum

There is no such thing as price gouging.

It is an invented term by those who think they can alter reality with wishful thinking.

Price caps mean people will hoard goods.

There will be less incentive for rich and middle class people to cut back on their purchases, and there will be less goods left for the poor.

Consider this: is a person more likely to fill up their boat or motorcycle to go out for a ride if gas is 2.50 a gallon or 4 bucks?

More likely to go on vacation if hotel rooms are $100 a night or $250?


20 posted on 09/02/2005 10:35:50 PM PDT by Veritas et equitas ad Votum (If the Constitution "lives and breathes", it dies.)
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re:Hear, hear.
  ditto
27 posted on 09/02/2005 10:40:00 PM PDT by tomakaze (Cuius testiculos habes, habeas cardia et cerebellum.)
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To: NonZeroSum

bump


72 posted on 09/02/2005 11:17:25 PM PDT by lowbridge
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To: NonZeroSum

bttt


99 posted on 09/02/2005 11:44:47 PM PDT by nopardons
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142 posted on 09/03/2005 12:45:06 AM PDT by Clear Rivers
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ping


150 posted on 09/03/2005 1:34:01 AM PDT by bjcintennessee (Don't Sweat the Small Stuff)
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To: NonZeroSum

If the supply goes down, the price will go up.

That's all well and good.

But if Marathon Oil's supply goes down and their price goes up, there is someone in some office looking at available data making a decision what the price should go up to.

There is no auction at the corner gas station with an auctioneer saying "2.50, 2.50, 2.50....2.65...265...3.00, 3.00, 3.00....sold to the gentleman in the strawhat & coveralls for $3. a gallon."

Someone sets the price using some formal or informal standard or formula to do so. Let's not pretend otherwise.


157 posted on 09/03/2005 2:40:06 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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160 posted on 09/03/2005 2:53:27 AM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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Gouging is impossible in a free market. Gouging is simply a term for charging what the market will bear, which the single most important element in getting goods and services to the point where they will do the most good. After Hurricane Andrew the MSM and a lot of really dumb politicians were wringing their hands because the price of roofing materials had gone up 5 to 10 fold. This so called price gouging laste only a few days as these apparent bonanze got roofers and lumber streaming to Florida to take advantage of this gold mine. WIthin a few days there were so many roofers and so much lumber available the price when back to normal. Had prices been controlled there would have been no incentive for roofers to head down to Florida to make extram money.


178 posted on 09/03/2005 3:45:07 AM PDT by Casloy
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Another of our genius relatives heard from :-).

(Dr. Sowell must have been very energetic in his youth. Okay, that was tacky ...)


182 posted on 09/03/2005 5:36:39 AM PDT by Tax-chick (How often lofty talk is used to deny others the same rights one claims for oneself. ~ Sowell)
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The logic error in this article is simple: The demand has not yet overcome the supply. It may well do so, but these sudden price increases are being made IN ANTICIPATION of decreased supply. Therefore, at the present time, the gasoline suppiers at some level of distribution are gouging.

If they waited until next week, or the week after, they might be justified, but not this week.

The other important factor in price increases/decreases is the money supply in a given area. As the money supply increases, that can cause inflation all by itself, regardless of supply issues. In fact, an increase of the money supply can be a definition of inflation. (Some say it is THE definition, which is true historically, but most people think price increases are inflation, when actually prices increases are the RESULT of inflation.)

But these are issues that are not generally taught in Econ 101, so it's understandable that people don't understand them. Supply and demand is taught, so people parrot that phrase without knowing the other factors.


216 posted on 09/03/2005 7:41:09 AM PDT by savedbygrace ("No Monday morning quarterback has ever led a team to victory" GW Bush)
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To: NonZeroSum

My boss just changed my work schedule to 4 - 10 hour days instead of 5 - 8 hour days after seeing the prices! *Snicker*

I love it!


It amuses me to watch people panic over gas prices.


237 posted on 09/03/2005 8:33:28 AM PDT by TheForceOfOne (The alternative media is our Enigma machine.)
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"Some analysts warn move may spur supply problems."

Read: analysts with whom we strongly disagree and would throw into dungeons to silence them


242 posted on 09/03/2005 9:17:42 AM PDT by NRA1995 (I hear the Vonage music playing.....woo-hoo, woo-hoo-hoo....)
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251 posted on 09/03/2005 10:53:01 AM PDT by freepatriot32 (Deep within every dilemma is a solution that involves explosives)
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To: NonZeroSum

The good Dr. On Florida Price 'gouging', by a 'Republican' (Jeb):

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/ts20040914.shtml


252 posted on 09/03/2005 11:37:21 AM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/janicerogersbrown.htm)
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Price gougers my butt, and it isn't even about profits.

These gasstations have bills to pay every week with or without gasoline to sell. If they run out of gas as most expected than they still need to pay the bills, so good planning requires them to guesss how long they would be without gas and to adjust prices accordingly.

This allows them to stay in bussiness when they have no gas to sell.


265 posted on 09/03/2005 3:19:41 PM PDT by stockpirate (We can fight the Muslim Army in Iraq! Or we can fight them outback! Check my homepage)
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