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Congress Likely to Probe Guard Delay
AP ^ | 09/03/2005 | SHARON THEIMER

Posted on 09/03/2005 7:19:37 AM PDT by Truthsayer20

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To: Torie; Howlin
Katrina hit as a cat 4 at Grand Isle, Louisiana (140 mph), and hit the Miss coast at 125 mph, which is a very strong cat 3 (130 mph is the breakpoint between a cat 3 and 4).

Yes, but it was a Cat 5 just before it hit land, which is when the National Weather Service issued their release. I'm suggesting that we should have been ready for a Cat 5 to hit from when it first landed, just in case. Better to err on the side of caution and be able to say that everything's fine, no need to implement the Cat 5 plan, than be caught flat-footed.

161 posted on 09/03/2005 11:49:20 AM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: GraniteStateConservative

I re-read your post, and as follows:

"When not activated for war, the governor acts as the commander of troops in his or her state. " -Me
NOTE, I said GOVERNOR.

"He could have formally declared one." -you.

NOTE, subject is GOVERNOR.
Governor is a 'she'.
What is unclear to you?


162 posted on 09/03/2005 11:50:03 AM PDT by Darksheare (There is a Possum in the works.)
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To: Howlin

Right you are. In fact, it appears that ALL hurricane-prone states are far more prepared than LA. How in the heck is anyone supposed to know what is really going to happen until after the storm when needs are assessed? Do people really think the Guard should have been mobilized on Sunday, BEFORE the hurricane which could have taken a severe turn or weakened considerably? And where would they go? Into the eye of the storm!? Ridiculous!


163 posted on 09/03/2005 11:52:25 AM PDT by GatorGirl (God Bless Pope Benedict XVI)
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To: Spyder
Hubby was surprised to hear him speaking on Fox today without a single use of the "f" word. ;-)

ROFL! No doubt he hired a speech coach.

164 posted on 09/03/2005 11:53:06 AM PDT by Ken H
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea

NO is the largest port in the US and the 3rd largest in the WORLD. That's just for starters. It's a very important city.


165 posted on 09/03/2005 11:53:07 AM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: GraniteStateConservative

"When national security is involved like it was in NO, yes, that is a federal role."

WRONG!

The states local government calls the shots. It is up to the local state government to ASK for help.

Haven't you heard of the separation of federal and state?

THIS is an example of THAT and WHY you are dead WRONG.


166 posted on 09/03/2005 11:54:26 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: GraniteStateConservative

Being "ready" for a cat 5 means nobody is there to greet it. And THAT is the point, I think. And it means having the infrastruture and plans in place on a national level, with a centralized and coordinated command and control, and authority to comandeer assets, to move huge numbers of folks within 72 hours. If that was not obvious before, it should be now.


167 posted on 09/03/2005 11:54:46 AM PDT by Torie
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To: Howlin
Thank God almighty that you're not in charge.

Why, exactly?

168 posted on 09/03/2005 11:55:16 AM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: Darksheare

Bush doesn't get to hire Blanco and Nagin, he only gets to clean up their messes when they affect everybody else in the country.


169 posted on 09/03/2005 11:57:43 AM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: Howlin
What happened to all the executive orders signed by Clinton, just for national emergency?
170 posted on 09/03/2005 11:58:16 AM PDT by razorback-bert
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To: GraniteStateConservative

You are playing fast and loose with some very clear laws. Bush can mobilize the Naitonal Guard for war or national emergencies. The real problem, however, is the law and order issue and there he is powerless under Posse Comitatus. The Governor had to act. Period.


171 posted on 09/03/2005 11:59:23 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: Torie
authority to comandeer assets, to move huge numbers of folks within 72 hours

These are powers of the states, not the federal government. The Governor needed to act.

172 posted on 09/03/2005 12:01:12 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: AndyJackson
The prez can declare martial law, and the Posse Comitatus law is suspended. IF that was what was hamstringing him, then cut the Gordian Knot with a sword, don't fiddle with trying to untie the knot.
173 posted on 09/03/2005 12:01:49 PM PDT by Torie
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To: GraniteStateConservative

"Bush doesn't get to hire Blanco and Nagin"

So why are you saying he should make sure they can do their jobs?


174 posted on 09/03/2005 12:02:16 PM PDT by Darksheare (There is a Possum in the works.)
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To: AndyJackson
These are powers of the states, not the federal government.

So many lawyers, so little time. The law is NOT a suicide pact. In any event, the law needs to change, so we do not have to chat about that next time.

175 posted on 09/03/2005 12:03:25 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Darksheare
I wasn't trying to attack you. I was just clearing up the confusion. You left out the bolded part above the second line I wrote.

Let me re-try this...

"When not activated for war or national emergency, which he could have formally declared one, the governor acts as the commander of troops in his or her state. "

176 posted on 09/03/2005 12:05:29 PM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: GraniteStateConservative

"When not activated for war, the governor acts as the commander of troops in his or her state. "

The above is correct.


177 posted on 09/03/2005 12:06:45 PM PDT by Darksheare (There is a Possum in the works.)
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To: AndyJackson

And there is also the bully pulpit, to urge and offer. I urge that the school buses be used, I urge that folks be moved into the airport so military transport can pick them up, I urge the airlines to fly in their planes to pick folks up, I urge the railroads to empty their freight cars and fill them with folks, etc.


178 posted on 09/03/2005 12:06:50 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Darksheare

I actually said so in the second half of that sentence: he gets to clean up their messes when they affect everybody else in the country.


179 posted on 09/03/2005 12:08:16 PM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: GraniteStateConservative

"I wasn't trying to attack you. I was just clearing up the confusion."

Where did I say you attacked me?
Care to quote me?

And IO left nothing out.
My statement was correct.
YOU missed that I WAS NATIONAL GUARD.


180 posted on 09/03/2005 12:08:35 PM PDT by Darksheare (There is a Possum in the works.)
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