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Some facts about how the U-S military is responding to Hurricane Katrina.
Associated Press katc3 ^ | September 3, 2005 | The U-S Army

Posted on 09/03/2005 1:49:42 PM PDT by mdittmar

WHAT'S NEW

-- More National Guard and active-duty troops are being sent to the hurricane region.

THE NUMBERS

-- Ten-thousand more National Guard troops are going to Louisiana and Mississippi.

-- That brings the total to about 40-thousand.

-- The chief of the National Guard said Saturday they would be arriving in the coming days.

-- President Bush Saturday ordered 72-hundred more active duty forces to the region within 72 hours.

-- That's in addition to 4,000 already there.

-- About 2,500 of the new troops are from the 82nd Airborne Division.

-- About 2,700 are from First Cavalry Division.

-- One-thousand are from First Marine Expeditionary Force.

-- One-thousand are from Second Marine Expeditionary Force.

WHAT ARE THEY ASSISTING WITH

-- Security and traffic control, including guarding critical facilities, preventing looting and apprehending curfew violators.

-- Distributing food, water and ice.

-- Conducting searches and rescues.

-- Providing generator support.

-- Carrying out other missions to support life and property.

(Active-duty soldiers will provide variety of security and humanitarian assistance, but not be involved in law enforcement.)

CORPS OF ENGINEERS

-- The Army Corps of Engineers is battling to repair breaches in the 350 miles of hurricane protection levees surrounding New Orleans.

OTHER EFFORTS

-- Idaho Air National Guard will deliver handheld radios donated by the National Firefighting Service to help ease communication problems throughout the region due to downed cellular nets.

-- All units arrive in the region self-sufficient and ready to operate with no need for food, water, medical or fuel support.

-- Every National Guard except those in Hawaii and Guam either is supporting the relief effort or is prepared to respond if needed.

-- The Department of Defense has 1.5 million cases of field rations available if needed.

DEPLOYED SOLDIERS

-- The Army has a toll-free number for families of deployed soldiers to get a message to the military members. (1-888-777-7731)

(Sources: The U-S Army)

On the Web: http://www.army.mil


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: federalrescuekatrina; katrina

1 posted on 09/03/2005 1:49:43 PM PDT by mdittmar
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To: mdittmar

I don't think any disaster plan contemplated 2/3 of the New Orleans police would be debilitated or quit - something known, but little discussed since pointing it out doesn't help partisan argumentation.

Governor should have acted when order broke down. How come she didn't send in State troopers to back up the New Orleans police?

Anyway, I keep seeing stories that it took "6 days" to respond. But the major flooding was only a actual concern on Tuesday, no?


2 posted on 09/03/2005 1:55:29 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: mdittmar
That brings the total to about 40-thousand.

Kind of ends the "they are all in Iraq" argument.

3 posted on 09/03/2005 1:56:13 PM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: Shermy
Anyway, I keep seeing stories that it took "6 days" to respond. But the major flooding was only a actual concern on Tuesday, no?

Good point.

4 posted on 09/03/2005 2:03:00 PM PDT by syriacus (You can't fool Mother Nature. Why didn't New Orleans codes require lifeboats for each residence?)
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To: mdittmar

Someone mentioned to me that Canadians (Canadian military) were coming to help. My reaction is, "WTH? That can't be right." That's not right, right?


5 posted on 09/03/2005 2:03:50 PM PDT by kenth (north Georgia mountains - prayers for all in the path of Katrina)
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To: mdittmar
not to arm chair QB, but since Hurricane season is just in full swing - why not order a full and complete evac, and not even address the levees until after the potential for repeat / continued damage is passed ?

whos to say there wont be a cat 5 next week?

6 posted on 09/03/2005 2:04:16 PM PDT by Revelation 911
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To: mdittmar

Bookmarked, Thanks.


7 posted on 09/03/2005 2:04:46 PM PDT by syriacus (You can't fool Mother Nature. Why didn't New Orleans codes require lifeboats for each residence?)
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To: mdittmar

bump


8 posted on 09/03/2005 2:06:09 PM PDT by RippleFire ("It's a joke, son!")
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To: Shermy

Exactly! In fact, part of the problem was that after the hurricane passed on Monday, people let their guards down claiming victory over another near-miss. These pols had this valuable almost 24 hour window to still get some work done, such as evacuating people.

I watched Shep Smith from his HQ at the French Quarter and people were celebrating in the bars. In fact, one report I saw said that some of the bars not only reopened, but never closed.

To add to this madness was a Mayor and Attorney General who practically justified the looting, as I'm sure word spread that people could just take what they wanted. Instead of leaving like they should, larceny was running wild.


9 posted on 09/03/2005 2:08:42 PM PDT by cwb (Liberalism is the opiate of the *asses)
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To: Shermy

Correct. The storm hit on Monday AM (only 15 miles off the NOAA track posted on Friday night)

The levees breached late PM on Monday, flooding became serious on Tuesday. On early Tuesday people were still partying in the French Quarter.

Pres Bush federalized the National Guard either late Tuesday or early Wednesday (after ineffectual command and control by the Governor and Mayor Nagin worsened the security situation and precluded effective releif operations).

The task of setting up an emergency evacuation center for 30,000 people in Houston was tasked to the military on early Wednesday AM. Refugees began arriving in Houston by Wednesday PM. 15,000 had arrived in Houston by Thuesday, 25,000 plus by Friday.

An 80-mile long relief convoy under National Guard control rolled into New Orleans on Friday morning, at first light and set about restoring security to New Orleans.

A military-commanded air bridge evacuated est 30,000 people from the Convention Center to New Orleans airport for further evacuation during Saturday daylight hours.

Someone correct this timeline if it is wrong.


10 posted on 09/03/2005 2:13:21 PM PDT by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: Shermy

I should note that during this 24 hour window, the governor could have called the national Guard into the city to establish order. But for political reasons, she didn't want to be responsible for any of the LE officials under her command killing these "poor, black people who were only trying to survive." These people failed to establish any level of control (for political reasons) and that is why we saw the chaos that we did.


11 posted on 09/03/2005 2:14:19 PM PDT by cwb (Liberalism is the opiate of the *asses)
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To: mdittmar
The real problem is going to come when they begin to evacuate some of the poorest neighborhoods. This probably where the druggies have gone to ground.
12 posted on 09/03/2005 2:14:25 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Mesocons for Rice '08)
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To: cwb

You have hit the nail on the head. The governor and the mayor didn't want to take responsibility for giving a shoot to kill order and having black criminals being killed. They let their constituents die to preserve their political careers.


13 posted on 09/03/2005 2:27:16 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Dig deeper, more ammo.)
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To: kenth

There was a post here earlier last week that Canada is sending about 1300 Heavy Urban Search & Rescue people, which may or may not be members of its military, to aid in clearing when the last of the refugees is evacuated from New Orleans. (I don't know why it's called "Heavy" Urban Search & Rescue.)


14 posted on 09/03/2005 2:27:24 PM PDT by hsalaw
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To: silverleaf

"Pres Bush federalized the National Guard either late Tuesday or early Wednesday..."




Silverleaf, have you seen anything in the press that indicates this happened? The reason I ask is that according to Chertoff today, none of this operation has become "federalized" as per his description. He noted that while the federal government usually only plays a supporting role, that they were working shoulder to shoulder rather than as strict subordinates.

The impression I got, however, was that Louisiana is still calling the shots on this with Washington providing them with whatever they want. Can anyone confirm that the Guard was put under the Presidents control? It may just be a semantical difference, but I'd like to know for sure for my own reference. Thanks


15 posted on 09/03/2005 2:34:01 PM PDT by cwb (Liberalism is the opiate of the *asses)
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To: SandRat

FYI.


16 posted on 09/03/2005 2:34:46 PM PDT by Howlin (Have you check in on this thread: FYI: Hurricane Katrina Freeper SIGN IN Thread)
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To: kenth

Canadian military) were coming to help. My reaction is, "WTH?


Canada is sending 3 ships with supplies, police from B.C.
and maybe more I haven't heard.


17 posted on 09/03/2005 2:53:31 PM PDT by SoCalPol (More Died At Chappaquiddic than Guantanamo)
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To: cwb
I do not believe that active-duty forces could be providing support to a domestic operation, nor could the Guard be assisting with peace-keeping operations requiring potential use of deadly force against US civilians, nor could Gen Honore be in obvious overall command of New Orleans, nor could other military commanders be in charge of places like the Houston astrodome, unless they were federalized to comply with "posse comitatus" and the Militia clause of the USC.

Federalization was alluded to by CoL David Hunt last night on Bill O'Reilly show. I hope we discover the timing of this decision.

Bush 41 federalized NG to cope with Hurricane Andrew and it was such a new concept they really didn't have much idea how to proceed. Now, many Guard have been federalized for duty in Iraq and Afghanistan (Honore is actually the General in charge of training reserve/Guard for overseas combat duty) so I guess it is somewhat normal now to do so...but federalization is usually HEAVILY resisted (by the Guard itself and the State Governors, who prefer to exercise their own Constitutional roles and responsibilities for domestic operations. Plus federalization does compplicate law enforcement lines of command and that's the last thing you need in a crisis)

Our Constitution clearly favors the concept that States use their own "militia" under their own command and control for their own disasters. I believe that Bush held off doing so to give the Governor every chance to be a "Man" and be a leader. She did not.

I just wonder what legal justification Pres Bush used for federalizing..."insurrection against the State"??? And whether he used Title 32 authority?

Whatever is going on, it was creative and very quickly arranged considering the circumstances and conditions. The media doesn't understand this.

The Feds effectively swept the weeping ineffectual State Gov and New Orleans jello-legged Mayor out of the way and went in to get the job done because people wer in danger of dying.

Bush coming in and saying "This is not acceptable" is harsh for a guy whose management style is to reprimand in private. Kind of reminds me of that scene in "Patton" where a donkey was holding up traffic on a bridge. So Patton pulled out his pistol, shot the donkey, and told his troops to dump it over the side of the bridge and get the convoy moving....Pres Bush got the convoys moving.
18 posted on 09/03/2005 2:54:43 PM PDT by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: silverleaf

I think Bush's conversation with Nagin went something like this, "You've been messin' with the bull, you try another stunt like that little press conference, you're gettin' the horns."


19 posted on 09/03/2005 2:56:13 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: hsalaw

HEAVY URBAN SEARCH AND RESCUE (USAR)

http://www.psepc.gc.ca/publications/backgrounders/2005/20050330-1_e.asp

Heavy USAR is the location of trapped persons in collapsed structures and other entrapments using canine teams and electronic search equipment; the work to breach, shore, lift and remove structural components; the use of heavy construction equipment to remove debris and the medical treatment and transfer of victims. USAR is a general term for the technical continuum of search and rescue capabilities.


20 posted on 09/03/2005 3:03:51 PM PDT by beaver fever
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To: silverleaf

Yeah...I definitely want to know the timing and exactly how this occured. When Chertoff was asked this today by a reporter, he wasn't exactly clear on this. Thanks


21 posted on 09/03/2005 3:08:45 PM PDT by cwb (Liberalism is the opiate of the *asses)
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To: Shermy
The Citizen-solider to the rescue!

One important early figure in Rome was Cincinnatus, who epitomized the citizen-soldier for many American revolutionaries. In 458 BC (according to tradition), Cincinnatus was plowing his fields when messengers arrived to tell him he had been named dictator to defend the city againt an uprising. He took up the supreme command, defeated Rome's enemies and returned to his farm, all within 16 days. He also refused the honors that came with his military victories. George Washington was sometimes called an American Cincinnatus because he too held his command only until the defeat of the British and, at a time when he could have chosen to exercise great political power, instead returned as soon as he could to cultivating his lands.
22 posted on 09/03/2005 3:14:04 PM PDT by Tank-FL (Keep the Faith - Congratulations - your a 1st classman now - Go VMI)
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To: beaver fever

Thanks very much for the additional info. And, thanks to Canada!


23 posted on 09/03/2005 3:45:21 PM PDT by hsalaw
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To: mdittmar
"But, but, that's not enough. It's also not fast enough" This will be the whine of the usual suspects.

Most of those criticizing relief efforts don't have a clue about which they are talking about and know little or nothing about what has or is being done.

Actually, the relief efforts have been as quick and as plentiful as could be expected under the conditions that exist.

The mayor and his administration obviously lacked any basic plan for such an emergency knowing the condition of the levees, the low level of the city, and the predicted violence of the storm.

The mayor should be held criminally liable for his complete lack of preparations for the storm.

After having failed utterly he now blames others for his failure.
24 posted on 09/03/2005 4:07:21 PM PDT by R.W.Ratikal
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To: R.W.Ratikal

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/danielle-crittenden/up-next-teddy-roosevelt-_b_6605.html


25 posted on 09/03/2005 5:43:39 PM PDT by AliVeritas (Ignorance is a condition. Stupidity is a strategy.)
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