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To: abletruth

all shorts are pond scum


3 posted on 09/03/2005 8:08:53 PM PDT by wrathof59 ("to the Everlasting Glory of the Infantry".........Robert A Heinlein)
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To: wrathof59

Why? They are a needed check on the boundless enthusiasm of the stock salespeople on Wall Street.


32 posted on 09/03/2005 9:14:44 PM PDT by oblomov
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To: wrathof59
What nonsense. Markets go up, markets go down. What in the world is wrong with profiting when a market, in this case the shares of some company, goes down? If you happen to be an advocate of ''one-way'' mkts, which it sounds like you are, good luck to you -- no such things exist.

Now, naked short selling is not only wrong, it's a crime with multiple perpetrators. Stock shares are units of participatory ownership, unlike, say, a futures contract which is a binding commitment between two parties.

When a stock transaction occurs, there is always a buyer and always a seller, same as at the grocery store, except that the US allows 3 business days to settle the transaction, i.e. see to it that the seller gets his money and the buyer gets his shares. Naked short sales are never settled, or at least never properly. The seller may or may not receive any funds (he shouldn't, btw), but he does get what he wants, to wit, a position in the mkt. The buyer -- and naked shorts can ONLY ever occur if the buyer isn't paying attention to his account with his broker -- doesn't get squat, and may actually on occasion be paying for something he doesn't ever receive.

This is called fraud, and the perps are, in order, the naked seller, his brokerage, the clearing firm for the exchange on which the transaction was executed, and possibly sometimes also the buyer's brokerage.

Naked short selling and ''ordinary'' short selling are two entirely different animals, and you'd be well-advised to understand the difference between them.

As an aside, you **do** realise, don't you, that the NYSE couldn't even exist if all short-selling were banned?

33 posted on 09/03/2005 9:20:44 PM PDT by SAJ
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To: wrathof59
all shorts are pond scum

I'm short 2000 barrels of crude oil. Am I pond scum ?

45 posted on 09/03/2005 9:41:33 PM PDT by staytrue
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To: wrathof59
all shorts are pond scum

And all pump and dump longs are angels, right? Get a clue before making idiotic blanket statements like that.

53 posted on 09/03/2005 9:50:42 PM PDT by bluefish (Holding out for worthy tagline...)
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To: wrathof59

Please explain to me why being short an equity is worse than being long an equity, and not part of an efficient free market? If some investor looked at Enron's sheets and sais that their practices, while not violating GAAP, were troubling, why shouldn't they have been able to short it?


80 posted on 09/03/2005 11:29:58 PM PDT by nickcarraway (I'm Only Alive, Because a Judge Hasn't Ruled I Should Die...)
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