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To: Just mythoughts
Some evolutionists prophetic warnings are that to allow ID and or creationism in the class room will doom this nation to third world status. (sounds a bit religious, being a prophetic warning and all)

Some, even prominent ones in well accomplished professions, do. It puzzles me why they do so, if they are truly wedded to a scientific worldview -- because what we call 'science' today is peculiarly suited to devising techniques to answer such questions. It also puzzles me why the 'scientific' handwringing seems to center on this issue, and not more salient matters such as most Americans knowing next to nothing about what a molecule is. (Most creationists know.)

34 posted on 09/06/2005 6:47:53 AM PDT by The Red Zone (Florida, the sun-shame state, and Illinois the chicken injun.)
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To: The Red Zone
Maybe because to entertain the idea of discussing anything other than "common descent" makes common descent suspect.

They are supreme in all matters of science with their ideology and the stupid ignorant ID'ers and or creationists are not going to be allowed to share in the money pie that is public education K-12.

Their prophetic warnings of doom and destitution to third world status exposes the core of their belief. Talk about mind control.
40 posted on 09/06/2005 6:55:41 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: The Red Zone
It also puzzles me why the 'scientific' handwringing seems to center on this issue, and not more salient matters such as most Americans knowing next to nothing about what a molecule is. (Most creationists know.)

Really? Got some proof? I've seen so many complete misrepresentations of science from creationists, I'd need to be persuaded they know any science at all.

42 posted on 09/06/2005 6:56:56 AM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: The Red Zone; Just mythoughts
Some evolutionists prophetic warnings are that to allow ID and or creationism in the class room will doom this nation to third world status. (sounds a bit religious, being a prophetic warning and all)

It's the slippery slope of it. It is politics interfering directly in science, which would be disasterous if it became widespread. The act of redefining science in high schools to get ID or creationism into science classrooms is not disaster in itself, but it is a first step to disaster.

It wouldn't stop at highschool. Next would be attempts to use the same political force to get colleges and universities to redefine science too. If the scientific community is ignored and popular demand is allowed to define science education then all bets are off. If it becomes a major political issue then politicians have a nasty habit of getting too involved.

The nail in the coffin would be legislation to prevent "content discrimination" in colleges which forces them to not discriminate against ideas based on their content. This is all based on the ID/creationist concept of "teach all views", "fairness of ideas", "teach the controversy", as if the scientific validity of an idea cannot be determined, or is subjective or is just irrelevant.

This opens up psuedosciences to be taught in colleges, and because they are labelled science they will become entrenched as science in the public mind. It even possible that they could influence political policy decisions with disasterous consequences. I can even imagine new scientific fields being set up solely to support certain political objectives.

Also if scientists don't have trust in the future of science in a country they may very well move elsewhere.

77 posted on 09/06/2005 7:29:23 AM PDT by bobdsmith
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