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To: kabar
So what should our response be if SF gets hit by the big one? Call them idiots for living there and refuse any federal assistance? There are very few places in this country that are immune from natural disasters. Most of our major citites are built on rivers and oceans. Tornados and earthquakes zones are all over the country.

Do you think the city of San Francisco and the State of California have a plan ready to execute if there's a massive earthquake? What should FEMA do, pre-position people, equipment, and food in case there's an earthquake tomorrow?

To tell you the truth, the thought of my tax money being used to rebuild NO sickens me. Hundreds of millions of dollars spent to rebuild a city that will still be 5+ feet under sea level. Why should taxpayers pay for that folly?

Now, tell me about my civic duty and how the Federal Government is responsible for making sure everyone gets what they want.

We could have evacuated the hospitals, old age homes, and children.

That should have been done anyway. In your scenario, who would have supplied the manpower to make all this happen in the 12 hour window we talked about in my last post? More military folks? The local LEO's?

Again, it's easy to look back and criticize, Kerry did a lot of that during the election, but it's hard to look at the realities of a situation and act in the best possible manner.

And if you were in the Supply and Logistics business for 8 years, you know how hard it is to get things moving quickly. Unless your unit is a quick reaction force, you aren't going anywhere in 24 hours.

243 posted on 09/06/2005 11:07:35 AM PDT by gruffwolf (Katrina - didn't blow as hard as the liberal left.)
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To: gruffwolf
Do you think the city of San Francisco and the State of California have a plan ready to execute if there's a massive earthquake? What should FEMA do, pre-position people, equipment, and food in case there's an earthquake tomorrow?

I am sure that they have a plan. I am also fairly sure that FEMA has a plan to move people, equipment and food to the area. The first casualty of war after contact with the enemy is the war plan.

To tell you the truth, the thought of my tax money being used to rebuild NO sickens me. Hundreds of millions of dollars spent to rebuild a city that will still be 5+ feet under sea level. Why should taxpayers pay for that folly?

Because Congress and the President will approve it. I favor rebuilding it. Pennsylvania gets its fair share of federal disaster relief.

September 28, 2004

More than 450 homes were destroyed and another 600 sustained major damage across Pennsylvania last weekend after Tropical Storm Ivan dumped nine inches of rain.

The Pittsburgh and Philadelphia areas were hardest hit, but thousands of others across the state were affected as rain-swollen rivers and creeks flooded their banks. So far, 46 counties have been declared eligible for federal disaster aid. Emergency officials were still tallying damages on Monday with no word on when more finalized counts will be completed. "In some cases, it's just too early to tell," said Justin Fleming of the Pennsylvania Emergency Management Agency (PEMA).

That should have been done anyway. In your scenario, who would have supplied the manpower to make all this happen in the 12 hour window we talked about in my last post? More military folks? The local LEO's?

I don't accept the premise of a 12 hour window. There was more notice than that. Nagin declared a voluntary departure on Saturday night. We had fairly good information from the weather service even sooner.

The military could have been used as a last resort, but I would assume, without knowing the local circumstances, that the staffs responsible for those facillities could help provide the manpower for the move.

Again, it's easy to look back and criticize, Kerry did a lot of that during the election, but it's hard to look at the realities of a situation and act in the best possible manner.

As a Vietnam veteran, I recall Kerry's criticisms and comments long before he ran for President. I worked hard and gave a significant amount of money to defeat him. I am no John Kerry.

And if you were in the Supply and Logistics business for 8 years, you know how hard it is to get things moving quickly. Unless your unit is a quick reaction force, you aren't going anywhere in 24 hours.

Agreed. The point is that FEMA was ready. Supplies, men, and equipment had been pre-positioned. They were ready to move in right after the storm cleared the region and did so for the most part. When Honore came into NO with his eight mile long convoy on Friday with some elements based as far a way as California, it was apparent that much time and effort had been made in preparation for the event. You don't assemble such a convoy without long range planning and good logistical support. Sometimes people forget that the first responders also need their own logistical tail.

FEMA and the USG were ready. My criticism has more to do with the frustration of knowing that red tape and bureaucratic considerrations kept those assets outside NO for days.

255 posted on 09/06/2005 11:54:33 AM PDT by kabar
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