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How the Poor Got Trapped (Even ultra-left AlterNet gets it !!)
06 September 2005 | Will Bunch

Posted on 09/06/2005 5:57:41 PM PDT by Lorianne

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I can't believe I'm reading this in AlterNet. But there it is. The state and local officials screwed up big-time.
1 posted on 09/06/2005 5:57:42 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: Lorianne

AlterNet is blocked, which I think is stupid (know thine enemy), but then it's not my site....

Anyhow, I think it's important to acknowledge that even the left knows who's to blame for the failure in Katrina. Sure, they blame Bush, Fema, etc. but most of the article is detailing the staggering lack of planning on the part of state and local officials.


2 posted on 09/06/2005 6:00:15 PM PDT by Lorianne
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I'm confused. Isn't self-reliance a strong American trait? Or, should I say, self-reliance was a strong American trait? Instead of waiting for Big Brother to come and whisk folks to safety, perhaps the able-bodied could have walked out of NO in the two to three days in which they knew a hurricane was coming. Not today, I guess...


3 posted on 09/06/2005 6:02:18 PM PDT by astounded (We don't need no stinkin' rules of engagement...)
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To: Lorianne
I saw a video/clip with a spokesman from NO stating that the Superdome was only a place to place/save people not to feed them!

WTF?

4 posted on 09/06/2005 6:02:45 PM PDT by rocksblues (I support the war on terror)
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To: Lorianne

Leaving THAT much transportation sitting unused, no one can ignore.

Yeah, you can find fault up the ladder, but the bottom line is that none of this crap would be 100th as bad if the folks had been evac'd.


5 posted on 09/06/2005 6:04:01 PM PDT by najida (I run with scissors and I don't play well with others.)
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To: Lorianne
My sweetie is going to print and ship 10,000 "I should have left" tee shirts to NO.

Think there'll be any buyers?

6 posted on 09/06/2005 6:05:15 PM PDT by MrBambaLaMamba (Buy 'Allah' brand urinal cakes - If you can't kill the enemy at least you can piss on their god)
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In other words, all that idiot Mayor had to do was ensure that those w/o transportation got to Red Cross shelters outside New Orleans, using the hundreds of available (until they got flooded out in the parking lot) buses? That man belongs in JAIL!


7 posted on 09/06/2005 6:07:21 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: MrBambaLaMamba

Maybe they can bury the dead in them.


8 posted on 09/06/2005 6:07:24 PM PDT by Lorianne
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"even the left knows who's to blame for the failure in Katrina."

Of course they do. That's why they're screaming so loudly, and getting Hitlery on point.


Damage control, without Sandy Berger to shred the documents.


9 posted on 09/06/2005 6:09:54 PM PDT by combat_boots (Dug in and not budging an inch. NOT to be schiavoed, greered, or felosed as a patient)
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I think someone could do a brisk business in Nagin's Navy and Blaco's 24--hour decision. Blanco's veinticuatro. (promounce the v with a soft b........)


10 posted on 09/06/2005 6:12:10 PM PDT by combat_boots (Dug in and not budging an inch. NOT to be schiavoed, greered, or felosed as a patient)
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To: Lorianne

Pretty remarkable post. Thanks.


11 posted on 09/06/2005 6:13:45 PM PDT by ConservativeMind
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"Maybe they can bury the dead in them.

Sweet!

12 posted on 09/06/2005 6:19:11 PM PDT by MrBambaLaMamba (Buy 'Allah' brand urinal cakes - If you can't kill the enemy at least you can piss on their god)
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There is plenty of "paper trail" for the failure of New Orleans to implement whatever emergency plans they did have.

Less clear of what role state resources and agencies may have had, which failed.

Obviously once the feds started to roll in, things got better quickly.

Politically, it could be the right Republicans could get elected in New Orleans and Louisiana---if they wanted the jobs.


13 posted on 09/06/2005 6:20:05 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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Put a bullet hole and excrement stain on it and it might sell.


14 posted on 09/06/2005 6:27:46 PM PDT by chris1 ("Make the other guy die for his country" - George S. Patton, Jr.)
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15 posted on 09/06/2005 6:28:17 PM PDT by petercooper (Mark Levin for Supreme Court Justice.)
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Last week, you learned how how locals and New Orleans-based Army Corps of Engineers begged the Bush administration to spend more money on shoring up the city's levees, to no avail.

From another thread.

U.S. Army Corps of Engineers News Release Release No. PA-09-01 For Immediate Release:
September 3, 2005
Contact: Connie Gillette: 202-761-1809 Constance.S.Gillette@hq02.usace.army.mil

U.S. Army Corps of Engineers Hurricane Relief Support and Levee Repair Background Information.

The breaches that have occurred on the levees surrounding New Orleans are located on the 17th Street Canal Levee and London Avenue Canal Levee. The 17th Street Canal Levees and London Avenue Canal Levees are completed segments of the Lake Ponchartrain and Vicinity Hurricane Protection Project. Although other portions of the Lake Ponchartrain project are pending, these two segments were complete, and no modifications or improvements to these segments were pending, proposed, or remain unfunded.

16 posted on 09/06/2005 6:38:00 PM PDT by SunTzuWu
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Actually, most people have networks of friends and relatives that they use to conduct their normal business. Also, a Rush caller today said wait until the water receedds and reveals lots of cars. We have been sold a bill of goods on this.One of the things I find most shocking is the failure to evacuate hospitals, because it became to very difficult.


17 posted on 09/06/2005 6:39:17 PM PDT by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: Lorianne
The mayor knew he had a problem getting the poor out of NO last year with Ivan. His solution when the worst didn't hit NO with Ivan was do nothing to get the poor out of NO.

See for yourself:

FLASHBACK 2004-Getting the poor out of NO

18 posted on 09/06/2005 6:44:22 PM PDT by Diva Betsy Ross (code pinks stinks)
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Old Will Bunch nearly had a home run here. But he conveniently left out the part where folks were told to bring food, medicine, water and supplies to last THREE DAYS.

There's that magical numeber again.

Even they knew prior to the hurricane how long it would probably take to get rescued.


19 posted on 09/06/2005 6:50:18 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (When a Jihadist dies, an angel gets its wings)
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I with everyone who recognizes that there were appalling failures of local and state government to recognize and properly deal with the implications of the mostly immobile 130,000 or whatever the exact number was. BUT, I also know that IF there had been a serious attempt to mass evac the poor, elderly, and infirm in public buses AND if the storm had passed further away like many had in the past, then the recriminations would have been INTENSE: the Mayor would have been viciously accused of wasting lots of money and resources on a huge hassle program to drag a lot of good folks out of their homes and their city. Plus, one can be sure there would have been all sorts of SNAFUS with the transportation, shelters, etc.

Don't get me wrong, I'm fervently of the belief that the Mayor and other public officials needed to say "we will use every possible publicly available vehicle to carry out this evacuation" (and they should have brought in hundreds more from other towns within a 2-3 hour radius). Still, it is worth recognizing that the Mayor and other officials would have been mercilessly slandered by all the Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson types that exist all over our country if a mass bus evac had been carried out and then the storm veered farther away to east or west.....


20 posted on 09/06/2005 6:58:23 PM PDT by Enchante
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