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The Cold Equations Of Spaceflight
Space Daily.com ^ | 9/9/05 | Jeffrey F. Bell

Posted on 09/09/2005 5:26:35 AM PDT by nuke rocketeer

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To: JustDoItAlways

Actually, just a new material able to withstand the stresses of being used for an orbital elevator.


61 posted on 09/09/2005 9:13:04 AM PDT by nuke rocketeer
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To: r9etb

Also, the glass break could be helped with carefully timed explosives if necessary...


62 posted on 09/09/2005 9:13:45 AM PDT by The Red Zone (Florida, the sun-shame state, and Illinois the chicken injun.)
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To: The Red Zone
If you hit anything solid at 8 km/sec, no matter how thin it is, or how pointy you are, you're going to get a hell of a bang.
63 posted on 09/09/2005 9:14:09 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: nuke rocketeer

But, it didn't generate temperatures nearly as hot as a nuke would.


64 posted on 09/09/2005 9:14:43 AM PDT by The Red Zone (Florida, the sun-shame state, and Illinois the chicken injun.)
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To: r9etb

Well ok, send a bullet up just ahead of the ship. The bullet gets sacrificed.


65 posted on 09/09/2005 9:15:28 AM PDT by The Red Zone (Florida, the sun-shame state, and Illinois the chicken injun.)
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To: The Red Zone

And I bet there would be plenty of volunteers who would fly it up.


66 posted on 09/09/2005 9:16:50 AM PDT by nuke rocketeer
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To: nuke rocketeer

Why am I not surprised? I once read about someone placing a jet engine on a car just for kicks. It took them a while to figure this out after they wondered what made the big splat on the side of a mountain.


67 posted on 09/09/2005 9:18:25 AM PDT by HarleyD (I live in my own little world because I enjoy the company.)
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To: nuke rocketeer

If it can be made to be no riskier than the space shuttle, many would kill for the chance. Of course sailing up towards a window would take some nerve....


68 posted on 09/09/2005 9:19:01 AM PDT by The Red Zone (Florida, the sun-shame state, and Illinois the chicken injun.)
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To: The Red Zone

At the speeds we're talking about, plasma, not broken glass would be the result. Think a bird strike at 600 mph looks ugly? Try 7,000 mph. 1/2e=mass X velocity squared


69 posted on 09/09/2005 9:23:07 AM PDT by SampleMan
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To: r9etb
Unfortunately, the act of opening the door will let the air come cascading in, which will lead to severe turbulence, buffeting, and shock waves as it rushes down the tunnel and comes into contact with the hypervelocity payload.

That was the first objection I had. So you create the world's longest vacuum chamber, and then pull the plug on it to let your payload out. Now you have an SAT question in the making - what happens when a payload traveling 8 km/s hits a wall of air traveling x km/hr in the exact opposite direction? Now you're not just hitting the atmosphere, you're hitting a not-insignificant headwind that you have to fight through before you even get out of the tunnel.

70 posted on 09/09/2005 9:24:57 AM PDT by general_re ("Frantic orthodoxy is never rooted in faith, but in doubt." - Reinhold Niebuhr)
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To: general_re

A window that is smashed, or is blasted, apart at the right moment could render this interval very small. Keep the ship moving straight with a massive rotating wheel inside serving as a gyro stabilizer. (Wheel rotation can be braked after emerging to allow turning the ship.)


71 posted on 09/09/2005 9:32:33 AM PDT by The Red Zone (Florida, the sun-shame state, and Illinois the chicken injun.)
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To: general_re

Actually, I addressed that, but the head wind would be less than abruptly hitting the static atmosphere, as the pressure would decrease as it expanded.


72 posted on 09/09/2005 9:33:00 AM PDT by SampleMan
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To: SampleMan

If that's a problem, send a slower bullet ahead of the ship timed appropriately.


73 posted on 09/09/2005 9:33:44 AM PDT by The Red Zone (Florida, the sun-shame state, and Illinois the chicken injun.)
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To: The Red Zone

Well, the mass of the chunks of glass are the issue not their tensile strength. Again, birds are fragile compared to jet airplanes, yet do enormous damage. This is orders of magnitude greater than than.

Also you you catch up to and impact the "slower" bullet.

This is really, really fast guys.

The "cap" issue is one of the easier problems to solve. The vehicle has to enter static atmospheric pressure at some point, so you simply open the door, while selectively bleeding nitrogen into the tube down a section of its terminus, making the transition a smoother one.


74 posted on 09/09/2005 9:53:44 AM PDT by SampleMan
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To: SampleMan
Also you you catch up to and impact the "slower" bullet.

If as you say it all turns to plasma, there won't be anything for the ship to hit. And there are other ways to break the glass, such as a guy with a hammer. Well kidding about that, but an explosive charge properly shaped and placed could scatter the glass outward from the mouth of the tube.

75 posted on 09/09/2005 9:56:57 AM PDT by The Red Zone (Florida, the sun-shame state, and Illinois the chicken injun.)
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To: SampleMan

I'm sure the Coyote bought something like that from Acme catch the Road Runner.


76 posted on 09/09/2005 10:01:21 AM PDT by citizen (History shows Muslims are Jihadists....The real radical Muslims are the live-and-let-live moderates.)
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To: nuke rocketeer
THey did that in Lucifer's Hammer.

Good read.

77 posted on 09/09/2005 10:05:32 AM PDT by citizen (History shows Muslims are Jihadists....The real radical Muslims are the live-and-let-live moderates.)
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To: JustDoItAlways
"New physics, anti-gravity, something else is needed to make the next step."

I agree. We need a fundamental breakthrough of some kind before space travel will pass into the realm of everyday experience. The engineering problems are enormous, and I don't think Burt Rutan has the answers.
78 posted on 09/09/2005 10:09:26 AM PDT by beef (Who Killed Kennewick Man?)
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To: citizen

Very good read! I am an incurable Niven/Pournelle fan. However, I knew about Orion even before that. Poul Anderson also used an Orion in "Orion Shall Rise". Beofre that I head heard about from one of my engineering professors in college.


79 posted on 09/09/2005 10:18:52 AM PDT by nuke rocketeer
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To: SampleMan
Actually, I addressed that, but the head wind would be less than abruptly hitting the static atmosphere, as the pressure would decrease as it expanded.

The pressure of what? The atmosphere? I don't think so.

80 posted on 09/09/2005 10:52:18 AM PDT by general_re ("Frantic orthodoxy is never rooted in faith, but in doubt." - Reinhold Niebuhr)
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