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Hostettler: No to storm aid
Courier Press ^ | 9/9/05 | Mara Lee

Posted on 09/09/2005 8:18:43 AM PDT by jebanks

WASHINGTON - In an overwhelming bipartisan action, Congress approved a $51.8 billion hurricane relief package Thursday, but 8th District Rep. John Hostettler was one of the few no votes.

The Senate passed the measure 97-0 and the House vote was 410-11. The bill, now headed to President Bush, includes $23.2 billion for housing aid and cash to storm victims. State and local governments are in line for $7.7 billion in reimbursement, and the measure includes $2,000 debit cards for families to use.

Bush pledged to make it "easy and simple as possible" for uncounted, uprooted storm victims to collect food stamps and other government benefits. "The first step is providing every household with $2,000 in emergency disaster relief that can be used for immediate needs, such as food or clothing or personal essentials."

Hostettler, a Republican who has represented Indiana's 8th District since 1994, could not be reached for comment after his late afternoon vote. House Speaker Dennis Hastert of Illinois, speaking about the vote, said the Republican-controlled Congress "is serious about doing everything we can to help local, state and federal officials respond to this crisis." Vanderburgh County Sheriff Brad Ellsworth, who hopes to capture Hostettler's seat in 2006, is bewildered by Hostettler's choice to vote no.

"I can't understand it. I bet I'm not alone. I think he needs to explain to us.

That's a lot of money, no question about it," Ellsworth said. "These are Americans on our soil that are dying. You buck up and do what you have to do."

Fewer than 25 constituents had called Hostettler about the government's response to Katrina before the vote, according to his congressional staff. Ellsworth said: "I can guarantee you there are more than 25 concerned citizens."

In some Capitol Hill offices, phones are ringing off the hook, with constituents who are upset by the federal rescue effort in the wake of Hurricane Katrina.

In Rep. Timothy Johnson's office, a Republican whose district includes a sliver of Southern Illinois, there have been about 350 calls and e-mails about Katrina. Press secretary Phil Bloomer said about a fifth are complaining about the Federal Emergency Management Agency response.

But in Ed Whitfield's district, which includes Henderson, Ky., as well as Hostettler's office, there is less interest. The office has gotten more than twice as many calls about high gas prices than Katrina relief. Whitfield's press secretary, Jeff Miles, said people complained that pets weren't being evacuated with their owners.

Why such a gap in districts with the same population?

Jim Thurber, director of American University's Center for Congressional and Presidential studies, said it's the nature of the constituencies. Representatives with liberal voters get more outraged; those with conservative voters tend to feel smaller government is better, and it's not the government's role to solve all problems.

Kate Stusrud, Hostettler's acting press secretary, said the office has gotten a dozen phone calls and a dozen e-mails, mostly last week. She said they asked the government to "get all the help down there as quickly as possible." In contrast, Indiana Sen. Evan Bayh, gave a speech in the Senate this week that called the aid effort inadequate. "The fact is that scores, maybe hundreds of lives were lost not simply because people didn't leave, or because the levees were not strengthened, but because after the storm our institutions of government failed them. And that's just not right."

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: hostettler; indiana; katrina; neworleans

1 posted on 09/09/2005 8:18:51 AM PDT by jebanks
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To: jebanks

Maybe he noticed that
1. We already have a huge deficit.
2. Nowhere in the Constitution is there an article says the Federales should hand out huge bundles of tax dollars to victims of natural disasters.
The should either buy their insurance or live with consequences.

I'm sorry for (most of) the victims, but that doesn't entitle Congress to mug me (or indenture my daughters) for their sake.


2 posted on 09/09/2005 8:23:47 AM PDT by Little Ray (I'm a reactionary, hirsute, gun-owning, knuckle dragging, Christian Neanderthal and proud of it!)
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To: Little Ray

Hostettler always makes tough votes like this on principle. He's up for another tough election and this certainly won't be a popular vote but the folks in his district admire him for votes like these.


3 posted on 09/09/2005 8:25:49 AM PDT by jebanks
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To: jebanks; Ziva; JayWolfe; Waywardson; EternalVigilance

ping. Please pass it around


4 posted on 09/09/2005 8:26:06 AM PDT by HallowThisGround (http://www.opiniontimes.com)
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To: jebanks

God help us when it is wrong to have a different opinion.


5 posted on 09/09/2005 8:28:30 AM PDT by cynicom
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To: jebanks

He gets my vote!


6 posted on 09/09/2005 8:32:37 AM PDT by magnumsgirl (Make love....Not Jihad)
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To: cynicom

maybe he is a bit concerned with how much oversight there will be in handing out the money. I mean how many posters feel comfortable that 50 bln in the hands of mayor gump will be money well spent.


7 posted on 09/09/2005 8:37:26 AM PDT by ONTHEFIFTY
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To: ONTHEFIFTY
From experience....This all got started after hurricane Agnes in 1972..At that time SBA was in charge of giving financial aid to victims.

I lost everything but the shirt on my back. The man that came to access damage was a BLIND MAN, his secretary was a young girl that was as dumb as she was blond. From what she described to him, he decided if you got any aid or none. I could not believe it and complained bitterly, to no avail.

8 posted on 09/09/2005 8:44:36 AM PDT by cynicom
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To: Little Ray
Nowhere in the Constitution is there an article says the Federales should hand out huge bundles of tax dollars to victims of natural disasters.

The Constitution doesn't say a lot of things and that hasn't kept the feds from looting what is not theirs, so why get all upset?

We've created this monster and we're the ones who have to feed it.

9 posted on 09/09/2005 8:50:07 AM PDT by A2J (Oh, I wish I was in Dixie...)
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To: jebanks

-Representatives with liberal voters get more outraged-

They get the VAPORS. Liberals get the vapors while everyone else is out there doing something. If lefties would leave us alone, I would agree to spend gubmint dollars on smelling salts for all of them.


10 posted on 09/09/2005 9:03:21 AM PDT by AmericanChef
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To: IncPen; BartMan1; Forecaster

see#8 lol, I am laughing , not at his situation, but the BLINDMAN and the BLONDE, would make terrific joke


11 posted on 09/09/2005 9:07:50 AM PDT by Nailbiter
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To: A2J

You are correct, but at least I can cheer a Congresscritter that seems to uphold his oath of office.


12 posted on 09/09/2005 9:09:16 AM PDT by Little Ray (I'm a reactionary, hirsute, gun-owning, knuckle dragging, Christian Neanderthal and proud of it!)
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To: Little Ray

Ditto! Ditto! Ditto! I've been having these same thoughts.....


13 posted on 09/09/2005 9:10:08 AM PDT by proudofthesouth (Boycotting movies since 1988)
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To: HallowThisGround

Not Yours To Give

Col. David Crockett

US Representative from Tennessee




Originally published in "The Life of Colonel David Crockett," by Edward Sylvester Ellis.







One day in the House of Representatives a bill was taken up appropriating money for the benefit of a widow of a distinguished naval officer. Several beautiful speeches had been made in its support. The speaker was just about to put the question when Crockett arose:

"Mr. Speaker--I have as much respect for the memory of the deceased, and as much sympathy for the suffering of the living, if there be, as any man in this House, but we must not permit our respect for the dead or our sympathy for part of the living to lead us into an act of injustice to the balance of the living. I will not go into an argument to prove that Congress has not the power to appropriate this money as an act of charity. Every member on this floor knows it.

We have the right as individuals, to give away as much of our own money as we please in charity; but as members of Congress we have no right to appropriate a dollar of the public money. Some eloquent appeals have been made to us upon the ground that it is a debt due the deceased. Mr. Speaker, the deceased lived long after the close of the war; he was in office to the day of his death, and I ever heard that the government was in arrears to him.

"Every man in this House knows it is not a debt. We cannot without the grossest corruption, appropriate this money as the payment of a debt. We have not the semblance of authority to appropriate it as charity. Mr. Speaker, I have said we have the right to give as much money of our own as we please. I am the poorest man on this floor. I cannot vote for this bill, but I will give one week's pay to the object, and if every member of Congress will do the same, it will amount to more than the bill asks."

He took his seat. Nobody replied. The bill was put upon its passage, and, instead of passing unanimously, as was generally supposed, and as, no doubt, it would, but for that speech, it received but few votes, and, of course, was lost.

Later, when asked by a friend why he had opposed the appropriation, Crockett gave this explanation:

"Several years ago I was one evening standing on the steps of the Capitol with some members of Congress, when our attention was attracted by a great light over in Georgetown. It was evidently a large fire. We jumped into a hack and drove over as fast as we could. In spite of all that could be done, many houses were burned and many families made houseless, and besides, some of them had lost all but the clothes they had on. The weather was very cold, and when I saw so many children suffering, I felt that something ought to be done for them. The next morning a bill was introduced appropriating $20,000 for their relief. We put aside all other business and rushed it through as soon as it could be done.

"The next summer, when it began to be time to think about election, I concluded I would take a scout around among the boys of my district. I had no opposition there but, as the election was some time off, I did not know what might turn up. When riding one day in a part of my district in which I was more of a stranger than any other, I saw a man in a field plowing and coming toward the road. I gauged my gait so that we should meet as he came up, I spoke to the man. He replied politely, but as I thought, rather coldly.

"I began: 'Well friend, I am one of those unfortunate beings called candidates and---

"Yes I know you; you are Colonel Crockett. I have seen you once before, and voted for you the last time you were elected. I suppose you are out electioneering now, but you had better not waste your time or mine, I shall not vote for you again."

"This was a sockdolger...I begged him tell me what was the matter.

"Well Colonel, it is hardly worthwhile to waste time or words upon it. I do not see how it can be mended, but you gave a vote last winter which shows that either you have not capacity to understand the Constitution, or that you are wanting in the honesty and firmness to be guided by it. In either case you are not the man to represent me. But I beg your pardon for expressing it that way. I did not intend to avail myself of the privilege of the constituent to speak plainly to a candidate for the purpose of insulting you or wounding you.'

"I intend by it only to say that your understanding of the constitution is very different from mine; and I will say to you what but for my rudeness, I should not have said, that I believe you to be honest.

But an understanding of the constitution different from mine I cannot overlook, because the Constitution, to be worth anything, must be held sacred, and rigidly observed in all its provisions. The man who wields power and misinterprets it is the more dangerous the honest he is.'

" 'I admit the truth of all you say, but there must be some mistake. Though I live in the backwoods and seldom go from home, I take the papers from Washington and read very carefully all the proceedings of Congress. My papers say you voted for a bill to appropriate $20,000 to some sufferers by fire in Georgetown. Is that true?

"Well my friend; I may as well own up. You have got me there. But certainly nobody will complain that a great and rich country like ours should give the insignificant sum of $20,000 to relieve its suffering women and children, particularly with a full and overflowing treasury, and I am sure, if you had been there, you would have done just the same as I did.'

"It is not the amount, Colonel, that I complain of; it is the principle. In the first place, the government ought to have in the Treasury no more than enough for its legitimate purposes. But that has nothing with the question. The power of collecting and disbursing money at pleasure is the most dangerous power that can be entrusted to man, particularly under our system of collecting revenue by a tariff, which reaches every man in the country, no matter how poor he may be, and the poorer he is the more he pays in proportion to his means.

What is worse, it presses upon him without his knowledge where the weight centers, for there is not a man in the United States who can ever guess how much he pays to the government. So you see, that while you are contributing to relieve one, you are drawing it from thousands who are even worse off than he.

If you had the right to give anything, the amount was simply a matter of discretion with you, and you had as much right to give $20,000,000 as $20,000. If you have the right to give at all; and as the Constitution neither defines charity nor stipulates the amount, you are at liberty to give to any and everything which you may believe, or profess to believe, is a charity and to any amount you may think proper. You will very easily perceive what a wide door this would open for fraud and corruption and favoritism, on the one hand, and for robbing the people on the other. 'No, Colonel, Congress has no right to give charity.'

"'Individual members may give as much of their own money as they please, but they have no right to touch a dollar of the public money for that purpose. If twice as many houses had been burned in this country as in Georgetown, neither you nor any other member of Congress would have Thought of appropriating a dollar for our relief. There are about two hundred and forty members of Congress. If they had shown their sympathy for the sufferers by contributing each one week's pay, it would have made over $13,000. There are plenty of wealthy men around Washington who could have given $20,000 without depriving themselves of even a luxury of life.'

"The congressmen chose to keep their own money, which, if reports be true, some of them spend not very creditably; and the people about Washington, no doubt, applauded you for relieving them from necessity of giving what was not yours to give. The people have delegated to Congress, by the Constitution, the power to do certain things. To do these, it is authorized to collect and pay moneys, and for nothing else. Everything beyond this is usurpation, and a violation of the Constitution.'

"'So you see, Colonel, you have violated the Constitution in what I consider a vital point. It is a precedent fraught with danger to the country, for when Congress once begins to stretch its power beyond the limits of the Constitution, there is no limit to it, and no security for the people. I have no doubt you acted honestly, but that does not make it any better, except as far as you are personally concerned, and you see that I cannot vote for you.'

"I tell you I felt streaked. I saw if I should have opposition, and this man should go to talking and in that district I was a gone fawn-skin. I could not answer him, and the fact is, I was so fully convinced that he was right, I did not want to. But I must satisfy him, and I said to him:

"Well, my friend, you hit the nail upon the head when you said I had not sense enough to understand the Constitution. I intended to be guided by it, and thought I had studied it fully. I have heard many speeches in Congress about the powers of Congress, but what you have said here at your plow has got more hard, sound sense in it than all the fine speeches I ever heard. If I had ever taken the view of it that you have, I would have put my head into the fire before I would have given that vote; and if you will forgive me and vote for me again, if I ever vote for another unconstitutional law I wish I may be shot.'

"He laughingly replied; 'Yes, Colonel, you have sworn to that once before, but I will trust you again upon one condition. You are convinced that your vote was wrong. Your acknowledgment of it will do more good than beating you for it. If, as you go around the district, you will tell people about this vote, and that you are satisfied it was wrong, I will not only vote for you, but will do what I can to keep down opposition, and perhaps, I may exert some little influence in that way.'

"If I don't, said I, 'I wish I may be shot; and to convince you that I am in earnest in what I say I will come back this way in a week or ten days, and if you will get up a gathering of people, I will make a speech to them. Get up a barbecue, and I will pay for it.'

"No, Colonel, we are not rich people in this section but we have plenty of provisions to contribute for a barbecue, and some to spare for those who have none. The push of crops will be over in a few days, and we can then afford a day for a barbecue. 'This Thursday; I will see to getting it up on Saturday week. Come to my house on Friday, and we will go together, and I promise you a very respectable crowd to see and hear you.

"'Well I will be here. But one thing more before I say good-bye. I must know your name."

"'My name is Bunce.'

"'Not Horatio Bunce?'

"'Yes

"'Well, Mr. Bunce, I never saw you before, though you say you have seen me, but I know you very well. I am glad I have met you, and very proud that I may hope to have you for my friend.'

"It was one of the luckiest hits of my life that I met him. He mingled but little with the public, but was widely known for his remarkable intelligence, and for a heart brim-full and running over with kindness and benevolence, which showed themselves not only in words but in acts. He was the oracle of the whole country around him, and his fame had extended far beyond the circle of his immediate acquaintance. Though I had never met him, before, I had heard much of him, and but for this meeting it is very likely I should have had opposition, and had been beaten. One thing is very certain, no man could now stand up in that district under such a vote.

"At the appointed time I was at his house, having told our conversation to every crowd I had met, and to every man I stayed all night with, and I found that it gave the people an interest and confidence in me stronger than I had ever seen manifested before.

"Though I was considerably fatigued when I reached his house, and, under ordinary circumstances, should have gone early to bed, I kept him up until midnight talking about the principles and affairs of government, and got more real, true knowledge of them than I had got all my life before."

"I have known and seen much of him since, for I respect him - no, that is not the word - I reverence and love him more than any living man, and I go to see him two or three times every year; and I will tell you, sir, if every one who professes to be a Christian lived and acted and enjoyed it as he does, the religion of Christ would take the world by storm.

"But to return to my story. The next morning we went to the barbecue and, to my surprise, found about a thousand men there. I met a good many whom I had not known before, and they and my friend introduced me around until I had got pretty well acquainted - at least, they all knew me.

"In due time notice was given that I would speak to them. They gathered up around a stand that had been erected. I opened my speech by saying:

"Fellow-citizens - I present myself before you today feeling like a new man. My eyes have lately been opened to truths which ignorance or prejudice or both, had heretofore hidden from my view. I feel that I can today offer you the ability to render you more valuable service than I have ever been able to render before. I am here today more for the purpose of acknowledging my error than to seek your votes. That I should make this acknowledgment is due to myself as well as to you. Whether you will vote for me is a matter for your consideration only."

"I went on to tell them about the fire and my vote for the appropriation and then told them why I was satisfied it was wrong. I closed by saying:

"And now, fellow-citizens, it remains only for me to tell you that the most of the speech you have listened to with so much interest was simply a repetition of the arguments by which your neighbor, Mr. Bunce, convinced me of my error.

"It is the best speech I ever made in my life, but he is entitled to the credit for it. And now I hope he is satisfied with his convert and that he will get up here and tell you so.'

"He came up to the stand and said:

"Fellow-citizens - it affords me great pleasure to comply with the request of Colonel Crockett. I have always considered him a thoroughly honest man, and I am satisfied that he will faithfully perform all that he has promised you today.'

"He went down, and there went up from that crowd such a shout for Davy Crockett as his name never called forth before.'

"I am not much given to tears, but I was taken with a choking then and felt some big drops rolling down my cheeks. And I tell you now that the remembrance of those few words spoken by such a man, and the honest, hearty shout they produced, is worth more to me than all the honors I have received and all the reputation I have ever made, or ever shall make, as a member of Congress.'

"Now, sir," concluded Crockett, "you know why I made that speech yesterday. "There is one thing which I will call your attention, "you remember that I proposed to give a week's pay. There are in that House many very wealthy men - men who think nothing of spending a week's pay, or a dozen of them, for a dinner or a wine party when they have something to accomplish by it. Some of those same men made beautiful speeches upon the great debt of gratitude which the country owed the deceased--a debt which could not be paid by money--and the insignificance and worthlessness of money, particularly so insignificant a sum as $20,000 when weighed against the honor of the nation. Yet not one of them responded to my proposition. Money with them is nothing but trash when it is to come out of the people. But it is the one great thing for which most of them are striving, and many of them sacrifice honor, integrity, and justice to obtain it."


14 posted on 09/09/2005 9:17:30 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (The Left is having a Category 5 'Wellstone Moment'.)
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To: jebanks

"Mr. Speaker--I have as much respect for the memory of the deceased, and as much sympathy for the suffering of the living, if there be, as any man in this House, but we must not permit our respect for the dead or our sympathy for part of the living to lead us into an act of injustice to the balance of the living. I will not go into an argument to prove that Congress has not the power to appropriate this money as an act of charity. Every member on this floor knows it.

We have the right as individuals, to give away as much of our own money as we please in charity; but as members of Congress we have no right to appropriate a dollar of the public money. Some eloquent appeals have been made to us upon the ground that it is a debt due the deceased. Mr. Speaker, the deceased lived long after the close of the war; he was in office to the day of his death, and I ever heard that the government was in arrears to him.

"Every man in this House knows it is not a debt. We cannot without the grossest corruption, appropriate this money as the payment of a debt. We have not the semblance of authority to appropriate it as charity. Mr. Speaker, I have said we have the right to give as much money of our own as we please. I am the poorest man on this floor. I cannot vote for this bill, but I will give one week's pay to the object, and if every member of Congress will do the same, it will amount to more than the bill asks."

-Davey Crockett


15 posted on 09/09/2005 9:20:06 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (The Left is having a Category 5 'Wellstone Moment'.)
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To: jebanks

We need to start a drive to have congress withdraw/undo what ever their pork-laden highway bill, with the 6000 pork projects. We need to tell them that if they are going to spend the money anyway, at least use it for the hurricane victims.

Then when they don't (because we all know that will NEVER happen) we need to know why.


16 posted on 09/09/2005 9:20:26 AM PDT by eyespysomething (Quid quid latine dictum sit, altum videtur)
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To: jebanks

That aid package is over $100,000 per resident!!!!! That's not even counting private donations!!! No wonder he voted no. This is a bloated welfare bill passed only for political gain.


17 posted on 09/09/2005 9:20:46 AM PDT by Texas Federalist (No matter what my work/play ratio is, I am never a dull boy.)
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To: jebanks

God bless John Hostettler.


18 posted on 09/09/2005 9:20:54 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (The Left is having a Category 5 'Wellstone Moment'.)
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To: EternalVigilance

I second that, he's my congressman.


19 posted on 09/09/2005 9:32:12 AM PDT by wordsofearnest (Ain't the whistle that pulls the train.)
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To: eyespysomething

that's what should be done - take it out of the pork


20 posted on 09/09/2005 9:52:54 AM PDT by p23185
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