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Wikipedia?? Giving it one last chance...(Vanity)
wikipedia ^ | 9.10.05 | Love Doc

Posted on 09/10/2005 4:50:20 AM PDT by LoveDoc

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To: LoveDoc
Wow! My first double post. I feel like I belong. :)

Sorry...

41 posted on 09/10/2005 10:16:42 AM PDT by LoveDoc
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To: Old Professer
Wikipedia is to the Brittanica what E-Bay is to Neiman-Marcus.

You really think it's that good?

42 posted on 09/10/2005 10:26:36 AM PDT by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: LoveDoc
Liberalism is emotive and platitude oriented.

It's also of course Messianic by nature.

It will always have more appeal than realism.

or man's subordinate relationship to God or a higher power if you wish

or hard love.

Liberalism appeals to wishing how things were and the profound need to feel more righteous than others.... the latter a neurosis that afflicts a fair number of post Goldwater/Reagan conservatives too.

Conservatives are almost always more factually informed but they get "blindsided" by emotion and a colluding media.
43 posted on 09/10/2005 10:34:47 AM PDT by wardaddy (OK.....it was my fault.)
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To: wardaddy
WarDaddy,

You're right and many are also snide, vicious and flat out dishonest (don't ask me how they justify that...I guess it's 'the lesser of two evils' argument.)

Because of this, it is my view that liberals should be defeated in the war of notions at every turn.

(It's almost spiritual for me!)

Now, in editing an encyclopedia, I'm just asking for fairness.

But even that it seems, is too much for my political opponents...

lDOC

44 posted on 09/10/2005 10:54:15 AM PDT by LoveDoc
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To: Valin; LoveDoc
1 I use it, BUT "Trust but verify".

I was going to say that (Are you spying on my mind?)

Admittedly I tend to use it as a reference of last resort, and only cite it when it confirm what I previously knew, but i haven't found it to be blatently false. Incomplete perhaps, and capable of being misunderstood, but not outright disinformation.

45 posted on 09/10/2005 11:00:18 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (The poorest man may in his cottage bid defiance to all the force of the Crown. - William Pitt)
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To: wardaddy
Liberalism is emotive and platitude oriented.

Well, Wikipedia say you are talking BS

46 posted on 09/10/2005 11:10:52 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (I stand by my previous post)
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To: humblegunner

In gerneral, I disagree with your evaluation. It is perhaps a matter of what you are looking up. I personally thought that it was conservative more than liberal.

I suspect that the bias is topical.


47 posted on 09/10/2005 11:14:32 AM PDT by WillMalven (It don't matter where you are when "the bomb" goes off, as long as you can say "What was that?")
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To: WillMalven
In gerneral, I disagree with your evaluation.

What evaluation?

My only contribution to this thread was to say "welcome to Free Republic" to the author.

You disagree with that?

50 posted on 09/10/2005 12:27:02 PM PDT by humblegunner (If you're gonna die, die with your boots on.)
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To: LoveDoc
Well... Thank you all for your comments. I mean that.

Not everyone had the same thing to say, but most claim it just isn't worth it.

I've gave much thought to your reasoning. I've decided to reject it.

In fact, the more I think about it...the more I think we can take Wikipedia.

I may never suit the tastes of some in here who insist it be converted into a conservative journal.

But it certainly can be made fair.

Stay on the sidelines and tell me it won't work, it's no use etc if you wish...

But, I'm reminded of the story of Joshua and Caleb.

There may be giants in that land...

...but surely we can take them.

L.Doc

51 posted on 09/10/2005 12:32:46 PM PDT by LoveDoc
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To: Oztrich Boy

Lets just say I have my sources, and leave it at that. :-)


52 posted on 09/10/2005 12:48:06 PM PDT by Valin (The right to do something does not mean that doing it is right.)
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To: humblegunner

Hit the wrong reply..sorry


53 posted on 09/10/2005 2:11:23 PM PDT by WillMalven (It don't matter where you are when "the bomb" goes off, as long as you can say "What was that?")
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To: LoveDoc

Wikipedia seems OK to me and I use it a lot. Senators and congressmen and all other politicians never see fit to incude their party affiliation on their websites, so Wikipedia is essential for checking that. It gives dates of service and is up to the minute. I don't perceive any leftist bias, but I use it mostly for checking the basic facts.


54 posted on 09/10/2005 2:16:12 PM PDT by firebrand
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To: LoveDoc
Re: Let's face it, never in the history of man has such a project been even possible

This sounds like 1996 all over again.

Yet another new new thing, a 'new media' that will change the world . . . wubba, wadda, wubba blah.

It's Push !(tm)

It's Streaming!(tm)

XML will change the world! (tm)

As another poster on this thread points out, I prefer pier reviewed sources as apposed to the collective quislings of a thousand AOLers.

What I want and need, as a proud Conservative is what *other* proud Conservatives find intriguing, timely, and insightful to the topic at hand.

Thank God for FR.

55 posted on 09/10/2005 2:26:57 PM PDT by ChadGore (VISUALIZE 62,041,268 Bush fans.)
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To: Oztrich Boy

they think today's liberalism is the classical version

in reality, conservatism more reflects that


56 posted on 09/10/2005 3:44:30 PM PDT by wardaddy (OK.....it was my fault.)
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To: Big Giant Head

The (open) source you love to hate, the Wide World of Wiki ping. :)


57 posted on 09/10/2005 4:19:47 PM PDT by Marie Antoinette (The same thing we do every day, Pinky. We're going to TAKE OVER THE WORLD! Countdown to #8)
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To: ChadGore
As another poster on this thread points out, I prefer pier reviewed sources

So, what can a dock tell you that a Doc cannot?

sorry, I just had too...

58 posted on 09/10/2005 7:01:55 PM PDT by lafroste (gravity is not a force. See my profile to read my novel absolutely free (I know, beyond shameless))
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To: Susannah

If you really want a good laugh take a look at what the atheists have done with the creation and evolution entries, not to mention the constantly changing definition of "Theory".


59 posted on 09/10/2005 8:09:53 PM PDT by TaxRelief
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To: LoveDoc

I guess I’m in the second camp. I also find the site... the concept... intriguing. However, it is a concept flawed in execution.

Wikipedia, or any venture of its nature, can only work well when authored without a common point of view. For matters that are technical or otherwise based on a well-defined set of rules, a common point of view is achievable. When the subject turns to politics, there is no possible way to achieve a common point of view. Recognizing this, Wikipedia offers an alternative, the “no point of view” (or NPOV in Wiki parlance.) Of course, there is no such thing—NPOV is a fallacious construct. Merely participating in the act of selecting facts demonstrates a point of view, which is then further mired with point of view when choosing words to convey those facts.

So, I find Wikipedia excels at providing technical information. It’s a lost cause for anything else.

I’ve thought long and hard about providing a similar resource for Free Republic. Jim and I have discussed various systems that would provide something similar, and we may eventually have something similar... an “encyclopedia of current events” (from a conservative point of view!) No idea how many people will have to be banned before the site will exhibit a common point of view on all things conservative—necessary to pull this off. Probably all but one. LOL. Seriously, we’d have a completely new battleground between our own factions, and somebody will start a similar discussion on how, as a paleocon, to fight the growing faction of neocons that are infesting the Freeperpedia, or substitute libertarians, or vice versa, et cetera, ad nauseam.

Long story short: ah phooey.


60 posted on 09/10/2005 8:19:51 PM PDT by John Robinson
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