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Pictures from Flight 93 Memorial, 09/11/2005
Amazing.com ^ | 09/11/2005 | David H Dennis

Posted on 09/11/2005 9:53:59 PM PDT by daviddennis

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To: Prime Choice

I hope we can change it. Hell, look at the fiasco with the 9/11 tribute for New York. It has become so damn political just like this sad situation in New Orleans and the Gulf Coast. If a Dem was president was in office you would not be seeing this. It's just sad.


61 posted on 09/11/2005 11:18:32 PM PDT by lndrvr1972
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To: Prime Choice
So let's recap:
1. Red crescent; internationally-recognized symbol of Islam.
2. Deliberate anti-American statements made by design jurors.
3. Orientation of red crescent points toward Mecca.

One more thing: the design includes the "Tower of Voices" which is a tall structure containing wailing resonate wind pipes. Perhaps this is to help one's thoughts gently drift off to the minaret filled land of Mecca and Medina.

Oh yeah, here is one last bit from the office project's website: "The Flight 93 National Memorial Design Competition has been funded through the generous support of the Heinz Endowments and the John S. and James L. Knight Foundation."

62 posted on 09/11/2005 11:20:03 PM PDT by Jeff F
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To: Prime Choice

I'm trying to send the following message on the site, but it is saying site is NOT FOUND, figures.



Is this memorial design some kind of sick joke? You simply HAVE to be kidding. A RED CRESCENT! How gulible and stupid do you think people are? This is an OBVIOUS symbol of Islam and is a defacement of the beautiful American landscape. The designer most certainly is ant-American and I am not sure how the families of the dead were duped to go along with this atrocity, but just know, that most thinking Americans are well aware of what this politically correct sickening display really is. Those of us who truly honor the heroes of Flight 93, will not allow this to stand without a fight.

You ought to be ashamed of yourselves.

Disgusting!


63 posted on 09/11/2005 11:22:33 PM PDT by conservativebabe (September 11, 2001 - NEVER FORGET)
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To: Prime Choice
This is what I think of the current design.


64 posted on 09/11/2005 11:23:11 PM PDT by South40 (Amnesty for ILLEGALS is a slap in the face to the USBP!)
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To: Andy from Beaverton

Paul Murdoch defends the design.

"A crescent is part of architectural vocabulary. It's a generic form used in design," said Paul Murdoch, one of the winning architects. "We don't see any one group having ownership of it."

"Crescent of Embrace" features an arc of maple trees that will turn red each fall.

Murdoch believes it's unfortunate that the design is being interpreted that way.

"You can call it all kinds of things. We can call it an arc. We can call it a circle. We can call it the edge of the bowl. The label doesn't matter to us in terms of intent.

"We have no objection to calling it something else."

Murdoch did say they have no intentions of changing the design.

The reason the circle of trees is not completed, he said, is because it was severed by the path of Flight 93. From that opening, visitors will be able to gaze down on what has been called the "Sacred Ground," where some of the remains of the passengers and crew still rest.


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Paul Murdoch's firm is committed to its involvement in creating sustainable design. Sustainable design, as defined by Wikipedia, is "the art of designing physical objects to comply with the principles of economic, social, and ecological sustainability."


Paul Murdoch...

A primary task of this generation is to create new patterns of development that sustain human habitation on this planet. Towards this end, the principles adopted for our practice are intended to ensure that each project contributes to an overall goal of environmental responsibility while striving for design excellence. As architects, we are uniquely qualified to help formulate and translate policy into tangible form; mitigating pressures of urbanity with the need to heal the natural environment. Each design solution is seen as a contribution to the human condition; as it exists today and evolves into future generations.

Our goal is to define and study problems both in terms of clients’ direct needs and relative to long term effects on natural and man made surroundings. More than problem solving however, we aspire to emotionally affect and uplift our lives through poetry and beauty.

It is through these transcendent qualities that we optimistically strive for ways to enrich life and fulfill our original purpose for engaging in the practice of architecture.


65 posted on 09/11/2005 11:23:32 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: idkfa

BTTT. Post #40 is definitely interesting. Looks like we're getting snookered.


66 posted on 09/11/2005 11:24:08 PM PDT by Windcatcher (Earth to libs: MARXISM DOESN'T SELL HERE. Try somewhere else.)
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To: cgk
I've read a few articles from family members who supported this design now, and their word counts more than mine, as none of my loved ones were murdered by Islamic terrorists. I hope they aren't being tricked...

No, they are being punked.

Todd Beamer is rolling over and puking in his grave (which just so happens to lay right next to this crescent abomination.)

67 posted on 09/11/2005 11:26:21 PM PDT by Jeff F
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To: kcvl
The reason the circle of trees is not completed, he said, is because it was severed by the path of Flight 93.

HUH? I don't even know what that means. These supposed "professional" architects ought to be smart enough to know that anything even remotely resembling a symbol of Islam would be a bad idea. There is no way to convince me that it is completely benign. Who do they think they are kidding, honestly?

68 posted on 09/11/2005 11:29:10 PM PDT by conservativebabe (September 11, 2001 - NEVER FORGET)
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To: idkfa

Please tell me that's a joke. Please.


69 posted on 09/11/2005 11:30:22 PM PDT by L.N. Smithee (http://lnsmitheeblog.blogspot.com)
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To: Andy from Beaverton
It is seen over here in Southeast Asia very clearly as an Islamic Crescent.

An American Expat in Southeast Asia

70 posted on 09/11/2005 11:31:30 PM PDT by expatguy (http://laotze.blogspot.com/)
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To: Windcatcher
You can check this out for yourself.   The Lat/Long of the Flight 93 crash site is 40.055 degrees N, 78.901 degrees W, which converts to 40 degrees 3' 18" N and 78 degrees 54' 4" W.  The orientation of the believer to Mecca is the Qibla. There are several Quibla calculators on the web. Using one of them, and inputting the above coordinates along with local time of 10:06 a.m. EDT, which was the time of impact, the Qibla direction from the impact point to Mecca is 55 degrees 11' 42" (Mecca, BTW, is 10,963 miles away).
71 posted on 09/11/2005 11:31:53 PM PDT by Jeff F
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To: Jeff F

Well, with FReepers on the case, the jig is up. Dan Rather was just the first to fall victim of the pajamahadeen.


72 posted on 09/11/2005 11:33:59 PM PDT by conservativebabe (September 11, 2001 - NEVER FORGET)
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To: daviddennis


Paul Murdoch responded to their criticism by saying, "each design solution is seen as a contribution to the human condition; as it exists today and evolves into future generations."


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The winning design, produced by Paul Murdoch Architects, begins with a "Tower of Voices" that houses 40 wind chimes, different in scale and pitch for each of the victims.

A pedestrian walkway leads to a maple-tree-lined bowl, created by the partly excavated mine, and carries on to the "Sacred Ground" - the actual crash site - which will be planted with wildflowers year-round.

"The memorial is not telling you how you should feel; it's open," said Hamilton Peterson, president of the Families of Flight 93, whose father and stepmother were killed in the crash. "Walt Whitman said that nature prefers freedom and variety, and that's the spirit we wanted."

A black slate plaza and sloped wall will provide public viewing, while a special walkway will allow family members access to the field. The names of the passengers and crew will be etched on white marble.

The memorial will spread over 2,000 acres. A preamble to the memorial will read, A common field one day. A field of honor forever.


73 posted on 09/11/2005 11:36:31 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: conservativebabe
As with Rather's bogus documents, this seems to have been first picked up by Little Green Footballs. The Qibla information I posted was taken directly from that link.
74 posted on 09/11/2005 11:37:37 PM PDT by Jeff F
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To: kcvl
"A crescent is part of architectural vocabulary. It's a generic form used in design," said Paul Murdoch, one of the winning architects. "We don't see any one group having ownership of it."

I am not an architect, but when I first read this, I did a Google search of online architectural glossaries. NOT ONE OF THEM LISTED THE WORD "CRESCENT." NOT ONE.

If it is used in an architectural sense, it certainly is not used widely and certainly could not credibly be called "generic."

I smell a rat.

75 posted on 09/11/2005 11:38:58 PM PDT by L.N. Smithee (http://lnsmitheeblog.blogspot.com)
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To: kcvl
"Paul Murdoch...

A primary task of this generation is to create new patterns of development that sustain human habitation on this planet. Towards this end, the principles adopted for our practice are intended to ensure that each project contributes to an overall goal of environmental responsibility while striving for design excellence. As architects, we are uniquely qualified to help formulate and translate policy into tangible form; mitigating pressures of urbanity with the need to heal the natural environment. Each design solution is seen as a contribution to the human condition; as it exists today and evolves into future generations."


(Bold emphasis mine)

If this doesn't come off as the typical arrogant liberal attitude then I don't know what does. First he is strongly suggesting that there is something wrong with our present way fo life. It sure sounds a lot like the "current American lifestyle is unsustainable" from one of the design jurors. Then he basically spits in the face of anyone who disagrees. "Translating policy into tangible form?" WTF? We're talking about a monument, not a plan for implementing, say, the War on Terror -- or was his statement a Freudian slip? "Pressures of urbanity"??? It's a field in the middle of nowhere! Maybe it's me, but that statement seems designed for the express purpose of confusion and deflection--of the fact that they are clearly pandering to the same Islamofascists who brought the plane down in the first place.
76 posted on 09/11/2005 11:40:07 PM PDT by Windcatcher (Earth to libs: MARXISM DOESN'T SELL HERE. Try somewhere else.)
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To: daviddennis

Flight 93 Memorial: A Slap at Christians in America
By A.M. Siriano
Sep 10, 2005

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The Los Angeles-based architect who submitted this disgraceful design is Paul Murdoch, who insists that no connection to Islam was intended, that his memorial is “not about religion, per se,” but is to be a spiritual, sacred place open to all. So is all this much ado about nothing, a mere coincidence?

If you believe that, then you don’t understand the nature of artists, which is what architects are. (Try to debate with them that they are not; you will get an earful.)

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Architects—good ones like Paul Murdoch and his design crew—are fully aware of the symbolism that they put into their work. The first order of business is to make money, of course, which is why their design incorporates various half-religious notions of sacredness and healing, which appeal to people’s sentimentalism. But no one can tell me that it never crossed their minds that the Crescent is the symbol of Islam, just as the Cross is the symbol of Christianity. (Neither started out that way: the Crescent was originally a pagan symbol, and the Cross was a favorite torture device of the Romans.)

As one observer noted, plastering a Crescent across the landscape in tribute to the heroes of Flight 93—to be seen clearly from the air—is like building a memorial to the Holocaust victims in the form of a Swastika. Or imagine the furor had we built the Pearl Harbor Memorial in a pattern that reminded us of the Japanese war flag, with planes and ships extending, beam-like, from a central orb.

The presence of “minaret” in the Memorial design is barely apparent, but only because, living in a non-Islamic nation, we have no need to take note of its function: it is used by the muezzin (crier) to call the faithful to turn toward Mecca and pray. The minaret, five times a day, literally becomes a “tower of voices.” Is connecting the Flight 93 Memorial tower to an Islamic minaret a stretch? Not with the Crescent symbol in proximity.

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77 posted on 09/11/2005 11:41:04 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: L.N. Smithee

Who is the U.S. Rep in that district? In that part of the state, it has *got* to be a Republican. I think that might be a good place to start building an outcry.


78 posted on 09/11/2005 11:45:03 PM PDT by Windcatcher (Earth to libs: MARXISM DOESN'T SELL HERE. Try somewhere else.)
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To: Prime Choice

I wouldn't deface it myself either. But I think there are those who might would if the crescent is there.


79 posted on 09/11/2005 11:54:46 PM PDT by Cedar
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To: Windcatcher
As a member of the AIA and Eco-Cities Council in Los Angeles, Paul has spoken widely on many aspects of sustainable design. Paul Murdoch Architects has designed or consulted on a variety of projects notable for their environmental design sensitivity, including an off-the-grid solar, straw-bale house, a regional library awarded a Merit Award for building-integrated photovoltics by AIA Research and the NREL, commercial buildings, and urban design/master planning for large mixed-use projects.



Nelson Byrd Woltz is a full service twenty-person landscape architecture firm based in Charlottesville, Virginia. Founded in 1985 by University of Virginia faculty member Warren Byrd and partner Susan Nelson, the firm has maintained a commitment to education while engaging in a broad range of public and private projects.

80 posted on 09/11/2005 11:55:01 PM PDT by kcvl
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