|
Posted on 09/12/2005 9:12:09 PM PDT by Stoat
|
Men stripping is just gay. Ask my wife she would tell you the same. Anyway, some pretty boy hitting on my woman would be recieving the same treatment.
Agreed. The specific sort of arrogance and narcissism that would be required of a person's psyche in order to be a 'male stripper' has not, in my experience, been particularly evident among the healthy (heterosexual) population.
some pretty boy hitting on my woman would be recieving the same treatment
Agreed again. Particularly in South Africa, a nation that has achieved considerable worldwide notoriety for a spectacular level of crime and violence (the only nation I'm aware of that has a thriving market in automobile flame thrower systems to thwart carjackers....activate a control from within the car and flames shoot out from underneath the vehicle) it would require an absolute dunce to be of the opinion that he can aggressively proposition a married woman and expect to escape alive. An example of the hideous level of arrogance coupled with profound stupidity that apparently is part of the job description in this case.
Congratulations to Mrs. vpintheak for having the good sense to marry an honorable man who will defend her honor and virtue.
I guess they're not gonna tell us what a married husband & wife were doing at a Chippendales performance in the first place..
Excellent point. Perhaps they were not actually attending the show but were outside or nearby?
"The strippers were at a venue in Second Avenue on September 3 when one of the dancers apparently started flirting with a married Greek woman."
Perhaps the woman went the the show by herself or with friends and then told her husband what happened afterwards?
|
The article doesn't exactly say that both the husband and wife were attending the show. You raise an excellent question and it's a shame that the article is so poorly written that it does not make such an essential point clear. I love News 24 and some other South African news sources because they frequently report on some pretty amazing stuff before anyone else. The quality of their writing, however, leaves a great deal to be desired. Perhaps many of the reporters' primary language is Afrikaans or Dutch and English is secondary to them? I don't know.
If I find an update to this story I will either post or link to it here, and you and everyone else are of course welcome to do the same.
South Africa is still living in the past I see. I guess if the fifties was your era you would be pretty happy in South Africa.
Just curious, what aspect of the fifties era might you be referring to in this case? I haven't heard of any Elvis clones topping the charts on Johannesburg radio.
A guy felt another guy hit on his wife, so he and his friends beat the guy up.
I didn't know that particular age-old tale was an exclusive product of the fifties culture.
"Men stripping is just gay."
I appreciate the fact that you view male stripping as gay, however women do go to the chippendale shows (clearly your wife is not one of them) and they enjoy it. I do not think what someone does for a living automatically reflects their sexual orientation.
That kind of stereotypical thinking can be quite limiting.
And if they are gay, so what?
"Anyway, some pretty boy hitting on my woman would be recieving the same treatment"
Really Stoan, what is this? Many women get hit on everyday. I personally think that beating someone up because their are hitting on your wife is unacceptable behaviour. The husband was not even there, he heard about it afterwards. And it is not like the wife was in physical danger or the chippendale had harmed her in anyway.
Or maybe you have a problem with the fact that these guys are "pretty" as you call it, personally I would prefer to call them "hot". If they are pretty, so what?
I can just see it now... Stoan is sitting with friends at a bar and this hottie chats him up. His wife finds out about it and spends a whole WEEK tracking the hottie down, finally she gets her and she and her friends beat the hottie up to a pulp....that is pathetic behaviour!
Once again I am really ashamed of South African men :0(
Not automatically of course, but it can quite often provide a very valid and clear insight. To automatically dismiss something entirely merely because it may not be applicable 100% of the time is an effort to bend over backwards to avoid recognizing the obvious merely because it isn't politically-correct, something that we are subjected to on a daily basis on a wide array of social and political fronts. Throughout the scientific and economic disciplines, when a particular event faithfully and predictably recurs 95% of the time, it's regarded as having a very high statistical probability of occurring and is viewed as a valid element in an equation or model. On the cultural landscape, using a similar yardstick to suggest that something is 'likely' to be a particular way is instantly shouted down by the Left as being "stereotypical", "racist" , "sexist", "homophobic" etc. etc. etc. and we are lectured that we must never use the statistical models that have served the scientific and economic disciplines well for thousands of years because they are "insensitive" and "evil" and "uncaring" etc. etc. etc.. Whether they are usually true or not is irrelevant to the jackbooted, Leftist thought police because the truth does not serve their political agenda.
That kind of stereotypical thinking can be quite limiting.
It can also be quite illuminating, when one understands that in the context that I am using in this instance, I am referring to a likely probability of something being the case, based upon the normal, healthy parameters of the heterosexual male psyche. To suggest otherwise is to intentionally form one's viewpoint based entirely upon fashionable political considerations rather than demonstrable reality.
And if they are gay, so what?
Then they as well as their patrons deserve our derision and scorn because they are presenting themselves as heterosexual sex objects (they are marketed toward a heterosexual female clientele) and are therefore a fraud. The patrons become dupes of a fraud because they do not see obvious inconsistencies in the presentation. Outside of San Francisco and other notoriously homosexual communities any honest poll of heterosexual men would reveal that acting and dressing in the way that the Chippendales do is not regarded as healthy or heterosexually-oriented, quite the contrary. Naturally, I haven't been to one of their show (nor would I want to) but it appears that their clientele consists primarily of women who are apparently acting out some sort of fantasy. Fantasy is all well and good but when it is based entirely upon a ludicrously obvious fraud then it becomes worthy of derision.
"Anyway, some pretty boy hitting on my woman would be recieving the same treatment"
Really Stoan,
Actually, my name is "Stoat". I'm a small, inoffensive and quite lovable furry animal. I don't know what a "Stoan" is. You can see my photo at my FR homepage. Just click on my name at the bottom of any of my posts. No big deal; I've been called far worse by hysterical Leftists. You can learn more about Stoats here, if you are so inclined:
Stoat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
what is this?
I hesitate to speak for others (you are quoting another person's post, not mine} although I tend to agree with the overall spirit. As to what it is, I view it merely a statement that reflects the normal, healthy desire of any normal man of substance and with a backbone to protect the object of his affections from those who have no class and choose to act like an animal toward a married woman.
Many women get hit on everyday.
Sad but true. Honorable and courteous gentlemen don't "hit on" a woman. They engage her in polite conversation and in so doing register their interest while attempting to determine whether or not there is a mutual attraction and chemistry. "Hitting on" a woman is for cads and Neanderthals with no imagination, education or breeding. Just because something happens every day doesn't make it the right thing to do.
I personally think that beating someone up because their are hitting on your wife is unacceptable behaviour.
This, of course, gets into the question of degree. "Hitting on" a woman can range anywhere from overly aggressive, forceful, and graphic talk and leering expressions and gestures to roughly grabbing a woman and trying to force one's tongue down her throat. There's no specific description of what actually happened in the article, and so to instantly assume that a male stripper would act in a gentlemanly fashion seems more than just a bit naive to me.
The husband was not even there, he heard about it afterwards.
How do you know this? The article doesn't say this and unless you were there you have no basis for making such a statement.
And it is not like the wife was in physical danger or the chippendale had harmed her in anyway.
Again, you have no way of knowing this. Why is it that your first impulse is to assume the very best from someone who makes their living in such a way? Do you also automatically assume that all used car salespeople are completely honest and forthright? Do you assume that all lawyers are exclusively concerned with and motivated by their desire to provide justice to all? Why is it that you automatically assume that someone who makes their living by presenting themselves in such a gutter-level sexual way is going to act in an honorable way in terms of interpersonal sexual interactions?
If we assume that the husband was, in fact, not there and that the wife told him about what happened, you seem to want to immediately call the wife a liar. She may very well have felt threatened or in imminent danger of harm.
Or maybe you have a problem with the fact that these guys are "pretty" as you call it,
It's unfortunate that we can only converse in a text format. If you had an opportunity to meet me, you would see that I have nothing to be ashamed of in terms of my own appearance and so I have no reason to feel threatened by those who might be judged as being better looking by some. This is a rather low comment from you and not very polite.
There is, however, a very unhealthy narcissistic component to the psyche of men who are overly concerned with their own appearance, and such a psychological component would be almost a requirement of a male stripper.
personally I would prefer to call them "hot".
In my pre-teen years I used to think that female strippers were 'hot' also, until I learned about what completely awful people the vast majority of them are.
If they are pretty, so what?
The word "pretty" when used in the context of the description of a man, suggests an unhealthy, narcissistic fixation on his appearance that is not in keeping with a healthy and balanced personality.
I can just see it now... Stoan is sitting with friends at a bar
Stoat is my name, and I rarely go to bars because conversing with alcoholics is rarely an uplifting and meaningful experience.
and this hottie chats him up.
Sounds appealing, and an easy situation for a gentleman to deal with in a polite way. How he would deal with it would depend primarily upon his marital status.
His wife finds out about it and spends a whole WEEK tracking the hottie down, finally she gets her and she and her friends beat the hottie up to a pulp....that is pathetic behaviour!
I would never marry a woman who is so unbalanced. Comparing a man and a woman in this same role is comparing apples and oranges. Men and women traditionally and by nature deal with this sort of situation in completely different ways. Despite the pronouncements of the Left, men and women are indeed different in many ways. You present an invalid comparison because the elements of the equation are entirely different.
Once again I am really ashamed of South African men :0(
Who is being "stereotypical" now? The woman is described as being Greek; the husband is not described at all. You seem terribly eager to draw the very best conclusions about a man whom we know only to be a male stripper, and you draw the very worst conclusions about a man whom we only know felt the need to defend his wife.
I'm sorry, you objections are not compelling because your arguments are easily refuted.
Best wishes to you, and I hope that you might be able to move within a different social circle one day; one that respects and honors women..
BTW, welcome to Free Republic :-)
just to tweak any lurking apartheid apologists, i would like to point out that these kind of "white-on-white" crimes show that south africa is not the racist state they claim it is.
Well, the article doesn't mention the race of anyone involved, and because I don't want to make myself ill, I won't go looking around on the internet for Chippendales photos in order to see whether or not there are any black Chippendales, but I'm guessing that there probably are some. The husband could be any race as well.....only the wife is said to be Greek, and that could mean a lot of things.
That being said, I haven't been to South Africa, but from the reading I've done I haven't gotten the impression that it's anything close to being a 'racist state' and anyone with such an opinion is most likely just a standard uninformed Leftist who thinks that way because it may be fashionable for some in his or her social circle..
In fact, considering what the white South Africans have been subjected to over the past couple of decades, I think that they are behaving with incredible tolerance, dignity and restraint, what with the beautiful nation that they had built being allowed to crumble around them due to neglect and a criminal level of mismanagement under it's current 'leadership'.
White South Africans have nothing to be ashamed of.
"Well, the article doesn't mention the race of anyone involved, "
Not explicitly, but based on name of the dancer, he's probably a white South African of British (not Afrikaner) descent.
"The husband could be any race as well....."
True, but based on the demographics of the Orange Free State, he's probably white.
"only the wife is said to be Greek, and that could mean a lot of things."
Under apartheid, Greeks were classified as "white."
"That being said, I haven't been to South Africa, but from the reading I've done I haven't gotten the impression that it's anything close to being a 'racist state' and anyone with such an opinion is most likely just a standard uninformed Leftist who thinks that way because it may be fashionable for some in his or her social circle.."
I don't think it's a racist state either, but the apartheid apologists do. The standard argument in the early 1990s was that "apartheid wasn't so bad" and the increasing rate of "black-on-black" crime demonstrated that white rule was necessary. I'm just using this case to reverse their argument to 1) show how stupid it is, which will then 2) piss them off.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.
