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Needed: Old war spirit in a new war
The Washington Times ^ | September 13, 2005 | Tony Blankley

Posted on 09/13/2005 4:02:53 AM PDT by Convert from ECUSA

Second of three parts

American writer and social historian Studs Terkel memorably called World War II "the good war." Terkel interviewed hundreds of GIs and their families many years after the war. They recalled that the struggle lifted them above their personal lives to fight on behalf of something they believed was greater than themselves. World War II was good, despite the millions of deaths, the limitations on daily lives, the encroachment on peacetime liberties and the arduousness of wartime life. The war was good because the sacrifice was for a noble cause, for the perpetuation of America and the American way of life. The struggle against Islamist terrorism is an equally good war -- and for the same reasons. We have just as great a responsibility to win our struggle against insurgent Islamist aggression as our parents and grandparents had to win World War II.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: enemyaliens; fifthcolumn; islam; islamicthreat; muslim; muslimthreat; subversion; terrorism; waronterror
Second of a three-part series.
1 posted on 09/13/2005 4:02:53 AM PDT by Convert from ECUSA
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To: SJackson; Alouette; Salem; Bombardier; American in Israel; Esther Ruth; IAF ThunderPilot; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 09/13/2005 4:06:21 AM PDT by Convert from ECUSA (tired of all the shucking and jiving)
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To: Convert from ECUSA
Members of the Jehovah's Witnesses were prosecuted during World War II for refusing to let their children recite the Pledge of Allegiance. Supreme Court Justice Felix Frankfurter, a liberal, wrote the majority opinion in the case. He upheld the school expulsions and parental prosecutions for violating compulsory attendance laws. Justice Frankfurter observed that "the mere possession of religious convictions which contradict the relevant concerns of a political society does not relieve the citizen from the discharge of political responsibilities."

This otherwise good article should have at least mentioned that this case was reversed later by the Supremes.

He also does not bother to show exactly how a 12 year old respectfully not participating in the Pledge constitutes a military menace to the US.

3 posted on 09/13/2005 4:11:20 AM PDT by Restorer
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To: Convert from ECUSA
someone has to remind the President what a crippled socialist president was able to do.

But of course it was as Mr. Terkel said a good war, especially to the socialists who had changed their opinion of Hitler after Operation Barbarossa. before that Hitler was 'an ally' and the left in this country wanted a hands off policy with Hitler.
4 posted on 09/13/2005 4:14:06 AM PDT by Vaquero (a red stater trapped in the body of a blue state.)
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To: Convert from ECUSA
We have just as great a responsibility to win our struggle against insurgent Islamist aggression as our parents and grandparents had to win World War II.

This is GWB's biggest failure: PR.

He has let the Michael Moores and Cindy Sheehans define the debate.
He has failed to get on the tube and make his case. It needs to be made over and over. People need to be reminded. Over and over.

And he has not done it.

5 posted on 09/13/2005 4:15:59 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Izzy Dunne
Bush can't make us remember. We have to remember. But we don't want to. We're too lazy. We don't like to make sacrifices. We demand immediate satisfaction with no blood shed. We can't think or do for ourselves. We want someone to think and do for us. We're weak.
6 posted on 09/13/2005 4:25:19 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn (Legality does not dictate morality... Lavin)
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To: mtbopfuyn
Bush can't make us remember. We have to remember.

Not sure which side you're arguing here.
Bush ought to be making us remember. But it seems you're right - he can't.

7 posted on 09/13/2005 4:27:46 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Convert from ECUSA

Most families are not involved in the war. Their sons are home watching it on TV while the daughters of the Ghetto and Appalachia are deployed in their stead. The difference between past wars and now is the fact everyone had somebody in the service, and the services were masculine.


8 posted on 09/13/2005 5:07:59 AM PDT by Meldrim
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To: MadIvan

Ping!


9 posted on 09/13/2005 5:16:18 AM PDT by Convert from ECUSA (tired of all the shucking and jiving)
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To: Izzy Dunne
This is GWB's biggest failure: PR.

The war power of the United States is virtually without limit, when used properly.

Much more than "PR" is required to get the job done.

By the end of December, 1941 the United States had full censorship of press and mail. On June 13, 1942, we began a fully funded war propaganda effort, which created daily press stories and other methods of telling a favorable story about our wars against Japan and Germany.

Now, 60 years later, the elderly remember with a warm glow how "everybody was pulling together".

That's true, but it was true at least in part due to a massive government effort to suppress bad news and promote the nation's war effort.

Many other means of promoting the war effort were used, as well.

None of this is being done now, although it is well within the war power of the US.

10 posted on 09/13/2005 5:39:54 AM PDT by Jim Noble (In a time of universal deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act - Orwell)
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To: Convert from ECUSA

Hooray! Another banner to march under. Hold it high!


11 posted on 09/13/2005 5:52:10 AM PDT by RoadTest (For Heaven's Sake)
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To: Meldrim
"Terkel interviewed hundreds of GIs and their FAMILIES..."
"Most FAMILIES are not involved in the war."

Since WWII the divorce rate has gone up dramatically. The number of WWII type two-parent families has dropped just as dramatically. Prior to and during WWII, FAMILIES were the social foundation of the country. The President today is president of a very different America than just 60 years ago. Thank the '60's and the baby boomers.

12 posted on 09/13/2005 5:53:45 AM PDT by LZ_Bayonet
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To: Meldrim

This war is not like Vietnam: bright and studious people of both races are manning the Humvees. It's not like that this time.


13 posted on 09/13/2005 5:54:57 AM PDT by RoadTest (For Heaven's Sake)
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To: RoadTest

World War II was won because it was a total effort including the press. The only negatives came from the Axis propagandists.

Today the Iraq war effort seems half-hearted because the American (press) propaganda we hear is defeatist, like that of Tokyo Rose and Axis Sally.

Vietnam was lost because of the Liberals and the MSM. They were our enemy and they defeated us when our military was winning. They are at it again. Curse those b______s! We first have to defeat them, and then the Islamist terorists.


14 posted on 09/13/2005 6:03:24 AM PDT by RoadTest (For Heaven's Sake)
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To: Jim Noble
Much more than "PR" is required to get the job done.

I am well aware of that. I didn't say that was all that was required. I said that it was GWB's weak point. He's good enough at it when he does it. He just doesn't do it enough.

I am not advocating a "fully funded war propaganda effort". I am advocating that Bush himself do a better job of arguing his case. That's true for any initiative, SocSec, War, Immigration, whatever.

15 posted on 09/13/2005 6:12:27 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Izzy Dunne
I am not advocating a "fully funded war propaganda effort"

Why not?

The last war we won, and all the other wars before it, required exactly that, and press censorship to boot.

Why is now different?

16 posted on 09/13/2005 6:40:18 AM PDT by Jim Noble (In a time of universal deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act - Orwell)
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To: Jim Noble
I am making a different point. The president should be front and center, making his case.

He isn't.

17 posted on 09/13/2005 6:42:22 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: RoadTest

Hmmmm. James Webb had no problems with the men he went to combat with in Vietnam; and he made the effort to point that out last time I heard him speak. Of course, as a Vietnam-Era company commander, he didn't need to worry about the day care center and soldiers in "pregnant-nondeployable" as our current commanders do. Then again, Webb was fighting against a far more capable and determined enemy. We are fortunate this time around that we are fighting cowards and incompetents.


18 posted on 09/13/2005 7:14:07 AM PDT by Meldrim
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To: RoadTest

Both races?


19 posted on 09/13/2005 7:16:25 AM PDT by Meldrim
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To: Convert from ECUSA

BTTT


20 posted on 09/13/2005 7:24:53 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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