Carjacker, Victim Killed in Cobb (Georgia)

11Alive ^ | 9/13/2005 | Kevin Rowson

[School of Rational Thought]

An armed bystander shot and killed a carjacker Monday morning in Acworth, Ga., after the suspect caused an accident that killed his female victim.

... Still carrying a handgun, the carjacker fled from the SUV on foot, running toward the Raceway gas station on the northeast corner of the intersection.

A man who had witnessed the carjacking and followed the Sequioa in his black 2004 Dodge Ram truck confronted the gunman in the intersection. According to police, the citizen – identified as Shawn Roberts – shot the suspect three times, killing him ... read more

[School of Rational Thought]

Sarah Brady declares that victim should have just lied back and enjoyed it and this terrible tragedy could have been avoided. [sarcasm]

[ncountylee]

Shawn Roberts is a hero.

[FireTrack]

I bet this is one that will not be moving back to N.O.

[2banana]

Criminals hate armed victims...

[wideawake]

Quick thinking and accurate shooting by this upstanding citizen prevented the further loss of innocent life.

[geezerwheezer]

He sure did save the taxpayers of Cobb County a lot of money taking this POS out like he did. No trial, no long wait in prison for execution, no lawyers, no appeals, nada!!
Way to go, Good Guys 1, Carjacker 0...I feel sorry for the family of the lady who died as a result of this criminal act. I hope they find peace knowing her killer was summarily executed by a real hero.

[apackof2]

Looks like the police realize that Shawn made their job easier

Cobb County police said it appeared the citizen acted lawfully and, quite possibly, prevented another crime from taking place.

“The suspect was armed and, at some point, as he began to bring the weapon up, the civilian, who was armed, shot and killed him here at this location," said Cobb police Cpl. Dana Pierce.

The name of the cement truck driver had not been released by Monday evening. Police said he did not suffer any injury in the crash.

The carjacker’s description also drew Acworth police to the scene Monday because it fit one given of a man who is wanted for brutally raping a woman in Acworth last Tuesday.

Acworth police Officer Wayne Dennard said, “Like I said, the general description does match, so we’re going to follow that through. Hopefully, upon autopsy we’ll be able to confirm our evidence notes from the rape scene to this suspect.”

[Dallas59]

GOOD NEWS!

[TNCMAXQ]

I wonder what the ethnic background of the victim here was....

[SuziQ]

The carjacker’s description also drew Acworth police to the scene Monday because it fit one given of a man who is wanted for brutally raping a woman in Acworth last Tuesday.

Well, he won't be raping any more women!

[Al Gator]

New Headline:

N.O. SCUMBAG MEETS VIRGINIAN HOSPITALITY

Nuff said.

[Al Gator]

OOPs,

That's Georgian Hospitality.

(craniorectalinversion syndrom is a terrible thing.)

[skinkinthegrass]

A Real Life Case of True Gun Control (shootin' true :)

[Mark was here]

Roberts, of Acworth, was taken into custody for questioning by Cobb County police.

If Roberts was handcuffed, the family of the arresting officer should be handcuffed for an equal amount of time.

Just for sensitivity training, you know.

[auboy]

No parole officer. No monitoring bracelet. Permanent dirt nap. Priceless.

[AnAmericanMother]

Doesn't bother me too much.

Cobb officers came on the scene and found one dead man and another man with a pistol. In the absence of a load of consistent eyewitnesses, they might have handcuffed him for their own safety.

But I doubt it. "Taken into custody" probably equalled sitting down in the back of a police car for 10-15 minutes while they checked out his story.

They're saying on the radio this morning that he will not be charged.

Cobb police have a reputation for being pretty tough but usually fair (not as tough as the Douglas County sheriff's office though. We had a high-speed chase here a couple years ago where the carjacker realized he was about to hit the Douglas County line and jumped out of the car and surrendered!)

[skinkinthegrass]

That's Georgian Hospitality. (craniorectalinversion syndrom is a terrible thing.)

"She turned me into a Newt"...But, I got better......Holy Grail, Monty Python Flying Circus

[bubman]

Too bad Sean Penn wasn't there. He could have put that shot gun to good use. But then again he's a liberal!!

[RonF]

If Roberts was handcuffed, the family of the arresting officer should be handcuffed for an equal amount of time.

I disagree. When the officer comes on the scene, all he knows for sure is that person A is alive wiht a gun in his hand and person B is dead (I presume person B dropped his gun somewhere around the time he go hit by the 2nd or 3rd round). Restraining person A until such time as he is convinced he fully understands what actually happened and why is prudent and proper procedure, and is necessary for public safety.

[skinkinthegrass]

We had a high-speed chase here a couple years ago where the carjacker realized he was about to hit the Douglas County line and jumped out of the car and surrendered!

LOL!...sounds real scary.."Please, Mr. Police Officer, Not there in Douglas County ." :D

[geezerwheezer]

My friends that live up there told me that this dude pistol-whipped the lady and beat her like a rented mule! I hope he enjoys his stay in Hell, because that is where he belongs. I cannot believe the savagery of some.

[Preachin']

I live in Acworth.

[em2vn]

I hope Shawn is related to judge Roberts.

[ChefKeith]

Cap 'em, tag 'em, bag 'em ping

[Black Tooth]

Last week, a man posing as an evacuee from Louisiana approached a woman as she walked out her front door. The man beat and raped the woman inside her apartment before forcing her to drive to a bank in Cobb County and take money out of an ATM.

So, many of those that looted and raped Louisiana have been scattered all over the landscape? Nice.

Say, didn't Texas get the majority of these guys?

[DaveLoneRanger]

(((Armed Citizen ping)))



You are being pinged because of your interest in every-day citizens using firearms to save life and limb. Freep-mail if you want on/off.

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[Black Tooth]

Wrong.

[DaveLoneRanger]

Dangit, I hate when I mess up.

(((Armed Citizen ping)))



You are being pinged because of your interest in every-day citizens using firearms to save life and limb. Freep-mail if you want on/off.

[Black Tooth]

That photo: Right into the driver door where the young mother was seated. Bet she was dead instantly.

Shoot the SOB again.

[Black Tooth]

Correction That photo: Right into the *passenger* door where the young mother was seated. Bet she was dead instantly.

[July 4th]

he later told 11Alive’s Kevin Rowson he had no choice but to shoot the carjacker because he was turning his gun toward him. Roberts said it was him or the carjacker.

Smart man. Self-defense = no charges.

[Mark was here]

I disagree. When the officer comes on the scene, all he knows for sure is that person A is alive wiht a gun in his hand and person B is dead (I presume person B dropped his gun somewhere around the time he go hit by the 2nd or 3rd round). Restraining person A until such time as he is convinced he fully understands what actually happened and why is prudent and proper procedure, and is necessary for public safety.

Well I'm not into this zero tolerance - one size fits all thinking. The cops can take the weapon. In this case several witnesses came froward and immediately explained the circumstance. For this upstanding citizen to be driven around in handcuffs like a common thief is reprehensible.

Reminds me of the teacher who disciplined a 2nd grader for having a dangerous weapon, a plastic fork. The school dropped the charges after the parents threatened to sue, citing the fact that the kid got the weapon from the school cafeteria.

I'm not asking for much, for cops to be in danger, just common sense, if the cops want to handcuff a citizen they now is not a risk but a here, they need sensitivity training.

[basil]

Thanks goodness for armed citizens. There is one less dangerous person breathing air today! He is no longer able to harm anyone.

[Mark was here]

Should of ended post 33 this way:

I'm not asking for much, for cops to be in danger, just common sense, if the cops want to handcuff a citizen they know is not a risk but a hero, they need sensitivity training.

[Black Tooth]

In this case several witnesses came froward and immediately explained the circumstance. For this upstanding citizen to be driven around in handcuffs like a common thief is reprehensible.

Wrong again.

Crime scenes can be chaotic, and very dangerous. How would the responding LEOs know the witnesses were not with the perp and part of the crime? Many times the witnesses are not reliable, ie: they are intoxicated, have bad vision, are medicated, and excited and upset about witnessing a violent crime etc.

And you never know. The bad guys friends/family could show up on scene and try and kill the guy that killed their buddy/family members. It's for everyones safety, including the hero shooter in this case. That is why they have investigations, and temporarily put people into custody and and or detain them until the investigation can be sorted out.

[Mark was here]

Wrong.

Come on and get real, this guy did not deserve to be tortured in handcuffs. If he was given a ride into the station with out the cuffs to get a formal statement that's fine. Once the cuffs come out, so does the lack of respect for the hero. Torturing someone is a fine way to show respect.

[monday]

"Restraining person A until such time as he is convinced he fully understands what actually happened and why ..."

and once he understands, a full apology and removal of the handcuffs. If he was driving this guy around in handcuffs then I agree with Mrs. Mark. He deserves to be handcuffed and shown on TV with a sign identifying him as a jack booted thug.

[Mark was here]

How would the responding LEOs know the witnesses were not with the perp and part of the crime? Many times the witnesses are not reliable, ie: they are intoxicated, have bad vision, are medicated, and excited and upset about witnessing a violent crime etc.

We are not talking about other hypothetical situations. This was just a zero tolerance, zero thinking response.

[RonF]

Reminds me of the teacher who disciplined a 2nd grader for having a dangerous weapon, a plastic fork. The school dropped the charges after the parents threatened to sue, citing the fact that the kid got the weapon from the school cafeteria. I'm not asking for much, for cops to be in danger, just common sense, if the cops want to handcuff a citizen they now is not a risk but a here, they need sensitivity training.

Common sense tells me that there's not much comparison between a kid with a plastic fork and an adult with a handgun near a dead body.

As far as a bunch of people immediately telling the cop what happened; it wouldn't be the first time a group of people had lied to a cop. It also wouldn't be the first time that a group of people saw something that didn't happen.

An example of the latter; I was a student at MIT when a group of students pulled a hack. They buried a mechanism at the sidelines in Harvard Stadium. During the Harvard-Yale football game, it inflated a black weather balloon with "MIT" on it, sealed it, and had it pop up from the middle of the sidelines and float up into the stands. Subsequently, numerous eye-witnesses swore it came down from the stands originally.

If I had been that citizen, I'd fully expect to be disarmed and restrained until the cop had a chance to do his job.

[Black Tooth]

Come on and get real, this guy did not deserve to be tortured in handcuffs.

Your very wrong, and you do not know what your talking about.

Read 36 again.

What if one witness pointed who he thought was the bad guy, and another witness pointed out someone else? Are you going to cuff both? Or neither, so as not to offend?

What if all they had was a description of a dangerous bad guy, and they see some guy two blocks away fitting the description. Should they temporarily detain and cuff him until they get an ID on this guy?

Witness get it wrong all the time. Not only that, like I said previously, many times at crime scenes the bad guys friends and family show up, and will try and harm or kill the guy that killed theirs. Many times those that claim to be witnesses are actually with the perpetrator.

You may not understand, but many times people are put into temporary custody, or are detained temporarily for their own protection, AND so the LEOs can figure out what the hell happened, and conduct an investigations.

Again, you haven't a clue what you are talking about. Hopefully your getting the picture.

[apackof2]

If I had been that citizen, I'd fully expect to be disarmed and restrained until the cop had a chance to do his job.

Exactly, and don't talk to 'em (cops) until your released!

[metmom]

This is great news. Does "taken into custody" automatically imply being cuffed? Is that standard procedure? I don't really blame the cops if they did. He just shot and killed someone, rightfully so, but until the cops know this, I think they are wise to protect themsleves. You never know if it's a drug deal gone bad or boyfiend/girlfriend thing or what. I don't blame them for not wanting to be next. I can't imagine the amount of stress these guys endure when they're in situations like this. Thank God for this hero.

[apackof2]

Bang

[Black Tooth]

Let me ask you, you go to a chaotic crime scene, their is a guy with his head blown off (#1) and a dead woman (#2) too. The wits all say subject #3 shot #1. How do you know #3 was not connected or somehow related to with #1 and or #2 until you conduct an investigation? What the wits say they saw, and what actually occurred *prior* to the event can be two completely different things.

Cuffing someone and temporally detaining them until an investigation can be completely is routine and for everyones safety.

[Black Tooth]

You got it.

[hdstmf]

You will know the race of the criminal if the ACLU, MSM,
Follyweirds and other creeps rush to proclaim him as a
"victim"

[hdstmf]

Texas justice will handle them

[yarddog]

I agree with you totally.

I recall a column by Jeff Cooper a few years ago in which he said no citizen should be subjected to the indignity of being hand cuffed without damned good reason, and the catch all-"it is for my own safety", which just about all cops are taught doesn't qualify.

He also pointed out that in ancient Rome, it was illegal to shackle a Roman Citizen for any reason period.

[Black Tooth]

I may be mistaken, but I think this occurred in Georgia.