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Carjacker, Victim Killed in Cobb (Georgia)
11Alive ^ | 9/13/2005 | Kevin Rowson

Posted on 09/13/2005 7:18:10 AM PDT by School of Rational Thought

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To: Mrs Mark
Come on and get real, this guy did not deserve to be tortured in handcuffs.

Your very wrong, and you do not know what your talking about.

Read 36 again.

What if one witness pointed who he thought was the bad guy, and another witness pointed out someone else? Are you going to cuff both? Or neither, so as not to offend?

What if all they had was a description of a dangerous bad guy, and they see some guy two blocks away fitting the description. Should they temporarily detain and cuff him until they get an ID on this guy?

Witness get it wrong all the time. Not only that, like I said previously, many times at crime scenes the bad guys friends and family show up, and will try and harm or kill the guy that killed theirs. Many times those that claim to be witnesses are actually with the perpetrator.

You may not understand, but many times people are put into temporary custody, or are detained temporarily for their own protection, AND so the LEOs can figure out what the hell happened, and conduct an investigations.

Again, you haven't a clue what you are talking about. Hopefully your getting the picture.

41 posted on 09/13/2005 8:30:05 AM PDT by Black Tooth (The more people I meet, the more I like my dog.)
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To: RonF
If I had been that citizen, I'd fully expect to be disarmed and restrained until the cop had a chance to do his job.

Exactly, and don't talk to 'em (cops) until your released!

42 posted on 09/13/2005 8:37:30 AM PDT by apackof2 (Never underestimate the power of a fuzzy friend!)
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To: Mrs Mark

This is great news. Does "taken into custody" automatically imply being cuffed? Is that standard procedure? I don't really blame the cops if they did. He just shot and killed someone, rightfully so, but until the cops know this, I think they are wise to protect themsleves. You never know if it's a drug deal gone bad or boyfiend/girlfriend thing or what. I don't blame them for not wanting to be next. I can't imagine the amount of stress these guys endure when they're in situations like this. Thank God for this hero.


43 posted on 09/13/2005 8:40:08 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: PoorMuttly

Bang


44 posted on 09/13/2005 8:41:01 AM PDT by apackof2 (Never underestimate the power of a fuzzy friend!)
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To: Mrs Mark
Let me ask you, you go to a chaotic crime scene, their is a guy with his head blown off (#1) and a dead woman (#2) too. The wits all say subject #3 shot #1. How do you know #3 was not connected or somehow related to with #1 and or #2 until you conduct an investigation? What the wits say they saw, and what actually occurred *prior* to the event can be two completely different things.

Cuffing someone and temporally detaining them until an investigation can be completely is routine and for everyones safety.

45 posted on 09/13/2005 8:49:11 AM PDT by Black Tooth (The more people I meet, the more I like my dog.)
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To: metmom

You got it.


46 posted on 09/13/2005 8:55:51 AM PDT by Black Tooth (The more people I meet, the more I like my dog.)
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To: TNCMAXQ

You will know the race of the criminal if the ACLU, MSM,
Follyweirds and other creeps rush to proclaim him as a
"victim"


47 posted on 09/13/2005 8:57:42 AM PDT by hdstmf
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To: Black Tooth

Texas justice will handle them


48 posted on 09/13/2005 9:00:59 AM PDT by hdstmf
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To: Mrs Mark
I agree with you totally.

I recall a column by Jeff Cooper a few years ago in which he said no citizen should be subjected to the indignity of being hand cuffed without damned good reason, and the catch all-"it is for my own safety", which just about all cops are taught doesn't qualify.

He also pointed out that in ancient Rome, it was illegal to shackle a Roman Citizen for any reason period.

49 posted on 09/13/2005 9:03:13 AM PDT by yarddog
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To: hdstmf

I may be mistaken, but I think this occurred in Georgia.


50 posted on 09/13/2005 9:04:25 AM PDT by Black Tooth (The more people I meet, the more I like my dog.)
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To: yarddog

We'll, your wrong too.


51 posted on 09/13/2005 9:05:02 AM PDT by Black Tooth (The more people I meet, the more I like my dog.)
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To: Black Tooth
We'll, your wrong too.

Well I guess that settles it.

52 posted on 09/13/2005 9:06:33 AM PDT by yarddog
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To: yarddog
Correct.

See #45.

When it comes to people being shot to death, and or killed in violent confrontations, the LEOs have to control the scene, and anyone involved in the death of others will more than likely be detained, and or cuffed until they can at least sort things out, and do a cursive investigation.

Not only for the safety of the officers, but everyone else, including the innocent shooter in this case.
53 posted on 09/13/2005 9:17:58 AM PDT by Black Tooth (The more people I meet, the more I like my dog.)
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To: School of Rational Thought
What the article doesn't mention is that Shawn is likely to be hauled into civil court by the perps survivors. Some lawyer will get them to sue for wrongful death. Even though its ridiculous the court will hear the case. The other result of the shooting is that the perp's family or friends may well come after Shawn and attempt to murder him which means moving regularly.
54 posted on 09/13/2005 9:18:36 AM PDT by 556x45
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To: Black Tooth
Not only for the safety of the officers, but everyone else, including the innocent shooter in this case.

I was just going to let it go but that is pure Bull Crap.

Now I wouldn't go as far as the ancient Romans and not ever cuff anyone but you don't know what the situation was there. Cops simply want to control the situation. Sometimes that requires cuffing people but most of the time it simply is an abuse of their position.

They don't have the right to abuse the public in order that they never be placed in any more danger than might otherwise be the situation.

Yes, on some odd occassion it might result in the injury or death of a cop and on some odd occassion it might result in the escape of a suspect but the right of citizens to not be humiliated is of extreme importance, not just an inconvenience.

55 posted on 09/13/2005 9:24:51 AM PDT by yarddog
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To: yarddog
Let me ask you, you go to a chaotic crime scene, their is a guy with his head blown off (#1) and a dead woman (#2) too. The wits all say subject #3 shot #1. How do you know #3 was not connected or somehow related to with #1 and or #2 until you conduct an investigation? What the wits say they saw, and what actually occurred *prior* to the event can be two completely different things.

Cuffing someone and temporally detaining them until an investigation can be complete is routine and for everyones safety.

56 posted on 09/13/2005 9:27:44 AM PDT by Black Tooth (The more people I meet, the more I like my dog.)
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To: School of Rational Thought

"Still carrying a handgun, the carjacker fled from the SUV on foot"

With gun in hand, this guy was fair game.


57 posted on 09/13/2005 9:30:13 AM PDT by Amish with an attitude (An armed society is a polite society)
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To: Black Tooth
First of all, I doubt if anyone's head was "blown off".

You get there, see a dead perp, dead victim, and heroic citizen probably sitting there with other people around.

You ask what happened and everyone agrees on the basics. You talk to the heroic citizen who killed the perp. You obtain all the information from him, congratulate him, and ask him where the gun is, take possession of it for evidence, and ask him to stick around while everything is sorted out.

Now some cops would arrive, start grabbing everyone around and cuffing them, "it's for my own safety of course", put them in the back of their cruisers, ask a few of the witnesses what happened then sit around with your buddies discussing the last football game while awaiting an investigator.

58 posted on 09/13/2005 9:33:57 AM PDT by yarddog
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To: yarddog

If I read the article correctly, the assailant was black and was pictured. He is also a suspect in the rape of another woman prior to the carjacking. Looks like the carjack victim was killed by the accident, so I suppose apolgists for the slime will claim he didn't mean to kill her. (barf)

As for the hero who killed the scumbag and saved everyone a lot of time and $$, if he is white then I fear the usual suspects will turn this into a racial issue.


59 posted on 09/13/2005 9:37:39 AM PDT by TNCMAXQ
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To: yarddog

I give up.

You're right. Never cuff and or detain anyone at a murder scene. Just talk it all out, and congratulate the shooter.


60 posted on 09/13/2005 9:40:08 AM PDT by Black Tooth (The more people I meet, the more I like my dog.)
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