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Roberts: Precedent Important for Abortion
AP (via S.F. Chronicle) ^ | 9/13/2005 | JESSE J. HOLLAND

Posted on 09/13/2005 7:51:01 AM PDT by Rutles4Ever

Supreme Court nominee John Roberts said Tuesday that the landmark 1973 ruling on abortion was "settled as a precedent of the court" as he was immediately pressed to address the divisive issue on the second day of his confirmation hearings.

"It's settled as a precedent of the court, entitled to respect under principles of stare decisis," the concept that long-settled decisions should be given extra weight, Roberts told the Senate Judiciary Committee.

Roberts dismissed any suggestion that his Catholic faith would influence his decisions if he was confirmed to be the nation's 17th chief justice. The Roman Catholic Church strongly opposes abortion.

Questioned about rights of privacy, the appellate judge cited various amendments of the Constitution that he said protect those rights, and said, "I do think the right to privacy is protected under the Constitution in various ways."

Roberts noted that the Supreme Court itself upheld the basics of Roe v. Wade in a 1992 case, Casey v. Planned Parenthood.

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Government
KEYWORDS: abortion; johnroberts; roberts; robertsscotus; roevwade; scotus
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Uncertain if he's just telling them what they want to hear, with wiggle room... or does he believe every precedent's a worthy precedent?
1 posted on 09/13/2005 7:51:02 AM PDT by Rutles4Ever
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To: Rutles4Ever

Remaining cautiously optimistic...


2 posted on 09/13/2005 7:52:39 AM PDT by RockinRight (What part of ILLEGAL immigration do they not understand?)
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To: Rutles4Ever

Good response by Roberts, because he is really not saying anything or casting the future of R vs. W at all.
Well thought out response -- choke on that LIBS.


3 posted on 09/13/2005 7:53:24 AM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: Rutles4Ever

I do not like the sound of his statement. I see little wiggle room in his remarks.


4 posted on 09/13/2005 7:57:00 AM PDT by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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To: EagleUSA; BlackElk

I believe he already gave the hint tothe out:

Casey.

The Casey case actually does NOT completely reaffirm Roe. The 4th Amendment is a very shgaky place to try to build a case for Roe. Casey moves the battlefield in part over to the 14th Amendment, which allows for a lot more games-playing.

Nonetheless, the fact that Casey modified Roe already means that a future case can modify Roe some more. Eventually ( I hop3e not to eventually) it can be modified out of existence.


5 posted on 09/13/2005 7:57:36 AM PDT by sittnick (There's no salvation in politics.)
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To: EagleUSA

I heard him to say that although there is "precedence", that there are conditions under which "precedence" can be challenged. Very good........


6 posted on 09/13/2005 7:57:37 AM PDT by Saynotosocialism
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To: EagleUSA

In re-reading what he's said, he only refers to the Planned Parenthood as a "starting point", not the final word.

I think he would not leave the door cracked open for overturning Roe if he thought it was ironclad.

I am also cautiously optimistic...


7 posted on 09/13/2005 7:57:57 AM PDT by Rutles4Ever
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To: Rutles4Ever
Roberts dismissed any suggestion that his Catholic faith would influence his decisions if he was confirmed to be the nation's 17th chief justice. The Roman Catholic Church strongly opposes abortion.

True. He will be influenced by his own conscience (formed with the help of the Catholic Church, of course).

8 posted on 09/13/2005 7:59:47 AM PDT by Rutles4Ever
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To: Rutles4Ever
Hmmm...is precedent important when SCOTUS claimed that blacks were only 2/3 of a human being. Is this the best we can get? Where are the men on this committee who will stand up and say that precedent doesnt mean crap if its wrong! Im sure that the Hitler regime also used precedent when it continued to slaughter millions of innocent humans. Good thing that we are more concerned about precedent than the intent of the constitution and will of the people.....not.
9 posted on 09/13/2005 8:02:06 AM PDT by sasafras (Want to get rid of illegals then take away all the benefits and penalize employers who hire illegals)
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To: EagleUSA

Roberts is brilliant. Yes, Roe vs Wade exists is all he said. (Freedom to murder another human being under the guise of freedom, privacy and "ownership" is another thing.)


10 posted on 09/13/2005 8:04:33 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: Rutles4Ever

Just because Roberts has an (R) after his name means nothing when the man assumes the position of jurist. Liberal judges on the SCOTUS nominated by Republican Presidents include names such as Earl Warren, John Paul Stevens, and as recent as recent as Sandra Day O'Connor who was departing from the US Constitution in her most recent decisions.

No doubt this is why the liberals in both parties attacked Judge Bork with such venom. They can't have a purist when they are dismantling the constitution from the bench.


11 posted on 09/13/2005 8:04:40 AM PDT by sully777 (The Religion Of Peace apparently kills!)
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To: Saynotosocialism

I've heard him say that too. Roberts will not be a conservative activist. But he will be an originalist and that's what I want.


12 posted on 09/13/2005 8:05:09 AM PDT by twigs
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To: GarySpFc
There's lots of wiggle room. Long standing precedents are given more weight when deciding cases to preserve consistency in our legal system.

That's not saying that bad decisions should not be overturned, just that they should not be overturned capriciously.

The murder of unborn children should have enough weight to overwhelm objections to privacy and long standing precedence.
13 posted on 09/13/2005 8:10:11 AM PDT by untrained skeptic
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To: sasafras

Before you launch into criticisms at least learn the facts of history. SCOTUS had nothing to do with the 3/5s (NOT 2/3s) rule. That was a device incorporated into the CONSTITUTION of the US dealing with representation.

It did not declare slaves less than human.


14 posted on 09/13/2005 8:17:00 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: Rutles4Ever

This is a proper response.

There are only a few decisions that nominees would say were "wrongly decided." Almost all the time that prior decisions are effectively overturned it is through one or more qualifications of the prior decision.

Was Roe v Wade wrong decided, like Dred Scott?

Even Plessy v. Ferguson wasn't totally wrong ... there are times when you can have separate AND equal, as in women's bathrooms at sports facilities.





15 posted on 09/13/2005 8:21:23 AM PDT by Redmen4ever
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To: GarySpFc
I do not like the sound of his statement. I see little wiggle room in his remarks.

I understand and agree completely. However, and I speak only for myself, I find no substantive moral and ethical difference between enduring what the democrats have made of the confirmation process, and negotiating with a hostage taker. I.e., say whatever you must to take away their means of leverage, and get them into custody.

It may be wishful thinking on my part, but I could see a nominee dismissing anything said during confirmation as pointedly as the democrats ignored the unprecedented boycott by the entire Supreme Court of Bill Clinton's State of the Union Address.

16 posted on 09/13/2005 8:27:29 AM PDT by papertyger (I seek opportunity... Not security.)
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To: Rutles4Ever

There's no way of knowing at this point. I think that any anti-abortion nominee will deceive as necessary to get past the abortion questions, since the Democrats will refuse to approve anybody that fails their abortion-on-demand litmus test. That's just the hand we've been dealt.


17 posted on 09/13/2005 8:30:49 AM PDT by Junior_G
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To: Rutles4Ever

Kicked in the teeth again.

He said it's "settled". He said it's "confirmed".

As far as being an "originalist", abortion was originally legal in this country and the idea that the fetus was legally a human or that the government should tell a man how to raise his family was hardly even considered.

Roberts is a Harvard educated elitist liberal. Just like Bush.


18 posted on 09/13/2005 8:31:56 AM PDT by harris33
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To: Rutles4Ever

The only stare decisis the USSC needs is the Constitution. Else you end up with activist judges using international law to re-write the meaning of a Law.


19 posted on 09/13/2005 8:32:55 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Anyone who needs to be persuaded to be free, doesn't deserve to be. -El Neil)
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To: EagleUSA

Exactly. He is upholding the general principle of stare decisis, but that doesn't mean that a prior SCOTUS ruling cannot be overturned. It has been done repeatedly throughout our history.


20 posted on 09/13/2005 8:33:51 AM PDT by kabar
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