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Ten Commandments monument can stay, judge rules
Everett Herald ^ | September 13, 2005 | Jim Haley

Posted on 09/13/2005 9:46:39 PM PDT by Seattle Conservative

A federal court judge Tuesday ruled that a marker engraved with the words of the Ten Commandments may remain on city of Everett property.

The monument stands in front of the Everett police station, the old city hall site, near the intersection of Wall Street and Wetmore Avenue.

U.S. District Court Judge Robert Lasnik denied a request by Everett resident Jesse Card, an agnostic, who sought removal of the monolith, a six-foot high granite structure. Card said its presence violated the principle of separation of church and state.

However, in a written opinion, Lasnik ruled that the city display "poses no real threat to freedom of religion and is therefore permissible" under the U.S. Constitution.

He noted that the monument, which was donated to the city in 1959 by the Fraternal Order of Eagles, is somewhat shrouded by trees and shrubs. He also noted that the city in 1988 moved it from a prominent corner position several feet to the south and a little out of sight.

"The physical setting of the monument also supports a finding that the display was not intended to advance religion," Lasnik wrote. "The site not only ‘suggests little or nothing of the sacred’ … (but) it actually has an air of neglect or disregard."

(Excerpt) Read more at heraldnet.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: aclu; agnostic; athesist; christian; constitution; monument; ruling; tencommandments; wa
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A win for our side!
1 posted on 09/13/2005 9:46:44 PM PDT by Seattle Conservative
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To: Seattle Conservative

Just throw an Islamic Crescent on all the other ones, then they'll have to leave them alone.


2 posted on 09/13/2005 9:48:51 PM PDT by Sometimes A River ("The leaves have broken on Lake Ponktran" - WKAT 1360 AM Miami Newsreader)
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To: sionnsar

For WA State Ping List


3 posted on 09/13/2005 9:49:40 PM PDT by Seattle Conservative (God Bless and protect our troops and their CIC)
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To: Seattle Conservative

Wow! Astounding!


4 posted on 09/13/2005 9:51:27 PM PDT by djf (Government wants the same things I do - MY guns, MY property, MY freedoms!)
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To: Acts 2:38

Call it: "The Crescent of the Covenant"


5 posted on 09/13/2005 9:52:29 PM PDT by spycatcher
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To: Seattle Conservative
"The site not only ‘suggests little or nothing of the sacred’ … (but) it actually has an air of neglect or disregard."

That's oddly indicative of the current spiritual nature of these United States these days...

6 posted on 09/13/2005 9:52:37 PM PDT by Prime Choice (E=mc^3. Don't drink and derive.)
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To: Seattle Conservative
It's a "win for our side" okay, but it's a shame the judge didn't stop after he ruled that the city display "poses no real threat to freedom of religion and is therefore permissible" under the U.S. Constitution.

All the added excuse-making by the judge only taints his otherwise sensible ruling.

7 posted on 09/13/2005 9:53:38 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard

It's almost as though he's ruling that government can erect a religious monument only if it never takes care of it.


8 posted on 09/13/2005 9:58:33 PM PDT by Kryptonite
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To: Seattle Conservative

"He noted that the monument, which was donated to the city in 1959 by the Fraternal Order of Eagles, is somewhat shrouded by trees and shrubs."

What a coward. Why didn't he just say that the 10 commandments is a historical fact for the basis of rule of law instead of discussing strategically placed foilage? But a win is a win.


9 posted on 09/13/2005 10:04:04 PM PDT by Tulsa Ramjet (home of the free because of the brave.)
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To: Seattle Conservative
Poor Jesse!

Well, there's always pills and therapy....


10 posted on 09/13/2005 10:04:34 PM PDT by SteveMcKing ("I was born a Democrat. I expect I'll be a Democrat the day I leave this earth." -Zell Miller '04)
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To: Tulsa Ramjet

You have to be careful giving voice to a truth like that here on the FR your likely to call out the evolution fanatics who seem to have a rather large representation in this august audience.


11 posted on 09/13/2005 10:12:48 PM PDT by kublia khan (absolute war brings total victory)
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But a win is a win.

Yep. We'll take it. It's one small step for eternal truths, one huge step for mankind.....or something like that.

12 posted on 09/13/2005 10:20:03 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal.")
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To: Seattle Conservative
Who could honestly be civilized enough to rebuke the tenets of the "TEN COMMANDMENTS"? Geeeez...

This is why the satanic Demoncrat Party will forever lose elections.

I pray for their souls.

13 posted on 09/13/2005 10:37:26 PM PDT by melt (A grimy Michael Moore "film" sticks to you like New Orleans slime .)
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NOTE

Most of the stories about this ruling were careful to omit one important fact but I did finally find it at the bottom of one account (Seattle Post Intelligencer) :

Rob Boston, a spokesman for Washington, D.C.-based Americans United for Church and State, which provided Card's legal help, said the organization knew it had little chance of winning, given the Supreme Court's ruling in the Texas case.

Whether it's the ACLU or somebody else, you can always find one of these scumbag organizations behind every legal assault on traditonal America and her families.

14 posted on 09/13/2005 10:46:54 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: melt

"I pray for their souls."

But...somebody has got to go to hell. This just narrows it.


15 posted on 09/13/2005 10:50:48 PM PDT by Tulsa Ramjet (home of the free because of the brave.)
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To: Lancey Howard
All the added excuse-making by the judge only taints his otherwise sensible ruling.

Yeah, it would have been nice if he would have said, "the Constitution provides that Congress shall not establish a religion or prevent the free exercise thereof; you are neither being coerced into a religion nor being prevented from exercising a religion. Go screw yourself."

That would have been immensely more satisfying.

16 posted on 09/13/2005 10:58:49 PM PDT by DC Bound (American greatness is the result of great individuals seeking to be anything but equal.)
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Pingout tomorrow.


17 posted on 09/13/2005 10:59:12 PM PDT by little jeremiah (A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, are incompatible with freedom. P. Henry)
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To: Seattle Conservative

It's not up to them anyhow... God's documents don't need validation from human beings.


18 posted on 09/14/2005 12:39:03 AM PDT by Awestruck (All the usual suspects)
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To: Seattle Conservative

Now if this goes to the Supreme Court, will Ruth Buzzi Ginsburg recuse herself?


19 posted on 09/14/2005 2:26:04 AM PDT by Recovering_Democrat (I am SO glad to no longer be associated with the party of Dependence on Government!)
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However, in a written opinion, Lasnik ruled that the city display "poses no real threat to freedom of religion and is therefore permissible" under the U.S. Constitution.

Well for reason, the loonie left think they will melt if they have to see it

20 posted on 09/14/2005 3:33:05 AM PDT by Mo1
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