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To: Grut

I agree that we should return the pledge to the pre 1954 version. Not all citizens of this great nation are religious. Others are. Our pledge should be one which can be spoken by all citizens without hypocracy. I cannot say "under God" in the pledge, since I have no belief in any deities. So I don't.

Something I've noticed from time to time while reciting the pledge is that many, since the original Newdow ruling, emphasise the "under God" phrase, often making it sound even a bit like a curse. Not the best thing.

The worst thing I ever saw, though, with regard to the Pledge was at a Memorial Day function I attended at a local cemetary while I was living in California.

An elderly couple attended the function with some local residents. When it came time to salute the flag, they stood mute and didn't recite the Pledge. After the ceremony, this guy in a WWII Marine Dress uniform, with a VFW cap on his head, started yelling at this older couple, accusing them of a lack of patriotism, calling them traitors and worse. He went on for a while until someone pointed out to him that the couple were British, visiting friends in the town. Apparently they had come to the ceremony to pay their respects to those who lost their lives defending England.

A little thought is required, I think, with regard to all of this.


23 posted on 09/14/2005 1:11:27 PM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: MineralMan
I cannot say "under God" in the pledge, since I have no belief in any deities.

That's fine, just don't force your immorality on me at the point of a gun.

THEN you must also shun using the BC/AD Christian calender because it makes you be a hypocrite too? Isn't it the year of the RAT or something?

And you don't participate in Christmas then either, right?

26 posted on 09/14/2005 1:34:23 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks (If you don't like Jesus, you can go to hell.)
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