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Up for grabs - Sociologists question how much looting and mayhem really took place in New Orleans
Boston Globe ^ | September 11 2005 | Christopher Shea

Posted on 09/15/2005 3:00:52 PM PDT by clifcrds

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OK – we both know that it a small furry mammal, it is black with two white stripes on its back, and it stinks to high heaven. But because you are a college professor and I am not I will take your word for it that it is not a skunk. Talk about your liberal educrat in wonderland!

I know I posted this in one my replies to another link the other day. BUT when I went back to the URL it was gone. Thankfully I backtracked and found another link to it. Why the original link was severed – I am not sure, but how many times on this site has someone stated that a link to some information that reflects negatively on either the MSM or a liberal has been disconnected? It could have been because in the section were readers can post their responses (“YOUR VIEW: Have reports of mayhem in New Orleans been exaggerated?” - most responses dispelled this “pie in the sky” carapace defending the looters) to this new age psychobabble, someone added a link to a montage that directly contradicts what these so called experts claim. You should watch it – http://media.putfile.com/tellmelies1

Even though the author tries to overwhelm the reader by listing all the impressive credentials of the people who contributed to this piece, besides being totally ridiculous – this article shows its true hidden agenda as it takes time to take a swipe at Donald Rumsfeld. And I like the section where one person is an expert on this subject because he watched hours and hours of protest tapes. This is like me saying I can go crocodile hunting in Australia because I watched Steve Irwin.

Hey Mr. Civil Control expert – I did not fall off the turnip truck just yesterday. In a protest situation you will usually see plenty of law enforcement officers just waiting to bust some hooligan over the head with a riot baton if they even think about stepping out of line. Again unless the experts in this article are right and I just imagined all this - that was not the case in NO. There was a complete breakdown of authoritarian control at all levels.

And this brings up another point – what did happen to all those stories about the looters, shooters, and thugs? I am not saying that there is now ANOTHER cover up here by the Democrats and their kowtowing manipulative lapdogs the MSM – but it sure is strange that the images of all those blacks looting seemed to instantly disappear as soon as Al, Jesse, and all the other race baiters showed up? When I took Civil Disturbance Training in the National Guard back in the mid ‘70s, these people were referred to as “outside agitations”. Now they are called “reverend”. Go figure?

1 posted on 09/15/2005 3:00:56 PM PDT by clifcrds
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To: clifcrds

Man, guess I shouldn't have eaten those mushrooms, it sure LOOKED like looting to me.


2 posted on 09/15/2005 3:03:55 PM PDT by sanemom
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Sociologist:

Who are you going to believe? Me, or your lying eyes?


3 posted on 09/15/2005 3:04:32 PM PDT by Disambiguator (Making accusations of racism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.)
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To: clifcrds

Well, this is no surprise. The MSM has spent the last four years trying to convince us that we didn't actually see 9/11.


4 posted on 09/15/2005 3:05:35 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("Violence never settles anything." Genghis Khan, 1162-1227)
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To: clifcrds

Oh, my lyin' eyes.


5 posted on 09/15/2005 3:05:36 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry (Esse Quam Videre)
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To: clifcrds

Come on, admit it. It was merely a typical day in crime infested NO.


6 posted on 09/15/2005 3:07:38 PM PDT by mtbopfuyn (Legality does not dictate morality... Lavin)
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To: sanemom

I guess that some Sociology professors still experiment with hallucinogenic drugs to "expand their minds".


7 posted on 09/15/2005 3:08:28 PM PDT by minerboy (Proud to be banned by the DU.)
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http://www.zippyvideos.com/8911023771013466/countdown-looting-in-walmart/

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck ...

8 posted on 09/15/2005 3:09:10 PM PDT by hillary's_fat_a**
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To: clifcrds

What looting?


9 posted on 09/15/2005 3:10:05 PM PDT by TrebleRebel
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To: Disambiguator

Who are you going to believe? Me, or your lying eyes?
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This was fully discussed earlier. Unless you were there, you did not see anything. You saw pictures. You saw the same ones over and over. You saw what a sensationalizing press wanted to show you or really what the press knew a sensational hungery public wanted.

So someone will go in and figure out what percentage of the New Orleans businesses were looted. We then will see if what the sociologist have previously have found with natural disasters is true or not. Will it be that 99% of the businesses in New Orleans were looted? Will it be that 1% of the stores in New Orleans were looted? I think it will be on the high side, but think the sociologists are certainly SMART not to base their conclusions on press reports.


10 posted on 09/15/2005 3:12:55 PM PDT by JLS
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To: Disambiguator

If psychology is the study of the id by the odd, then sociology is the study of the masses by the horse's asses.


11 posted on 09/15/2005 3:13:14 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (crime would drop like a sprung trapdoor if we brought back good old-fashioned hangings)
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To: TrebleRebel

" PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE MAN BEHIND THE SCREEN!"


12 posted on 09/15/2005 3:13:30 PM PDT by ABN 505
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To: TrebleRebel

" PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE MAN BEHIND THE SCREEN!"


13 posted on 09/15/2005 3:13:45 PM PDT by ABN 505
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To: clifcrds

Celine Dione told me earlier that they just wanted to "touch" those things, so the leftist apologists have gone from looting (reality), to just touching, to don't believe your lyin' eyes. In another few weeks they'll have the looters performing open-air open-heart surgery.


14 posted on 09/15/2005 3:14:17 PM PDT by randog (What the....?!)
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William Saletan went so far as to call it [looting] ''a second-wave destructive force" that must be anticipated in future disaster planning.

Anticipated only if the natural disaster in question hits certain .....'hoods.

15 posted on 09/15/2005 3:14:21 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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That's true, the show, "COPS in New Orleans" on Fox comes to mind.


16 posted on 09/15/2005 3:16:12 PM PDT by corlorde (New Hampshire)
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These aren't the looters you're looking for. Image Hosted by ImageShack.us
17 posted on 09/15/2005 3:20:10 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Never a minigun handy when you need one.)
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HMMMMMMMMM! Someone needs to get with the program!

"If we had the National Guard here instead of in Iraq, we wouldn't have had riots," (Rep. Arthur Morrell, D-New Orleans) said.

18 posted on 09/15/2005 3:20:40 PM PDT by LRS
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"We don't have any substantiated rapes," the New Orleans Police superintendent Edwin Compass told the British newspaper The Guardian, speaking of the situation at the Superdome. Nor have any bodies of victims of foul play turned up there.

The New Orleans Chief of Police, Eddie Compass says there were rapes and murders in the Superdome. He says he saw it himself.

"Chief Compass says he believes that there are easily thousands of dead people in the city. He is especially disturbed by what he saw inside the Superdome. The horrors there will haunt him the rest of his life. "We had little babies in there, little babies getting raped," he says. "You know how frustrating it is to be the Chief of Police knowing inside these things are being done and you don't have enough manpower to go in there?"

Source: The Oprah Winfrey Show

NOPD Chief Compass tells the New York Times of gunmen shooting in the darkness in both the Convention Center and the Superdome. Tells of rapes and murders.

"While he acknowledged that murders and rapes had occurred at both the convention center and the Superdome, Mr. Compass said the mayhem at the unlighted convention center would have been worse if the police had not created a plan to capture the armed thugs who were terrorizing others. Because his officers could not risk harming innocent evacuees by returning fire in the dark, he said, they watched instead for muzzle fire and moved toward it, patting people down and yelling "gun" when they felt a weapon. Then officers converged and tackled the gunman."

Source: The New York Times 9/9/05

So either the Guardian is lying about what Compass said, or Compass himself is 1. - Too stupid to know what actually is going on so he just makes up stuff out of his butt. or 2. - He tailors his interviews to whatever the reporter wants to hear, to whichever talking point is the latest one being spun by the lib press machine.

19 posted on 09/15/2005 3:23:31 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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''As a researcher, I base what I say on evidence and there was no evidence for a lot of what was being reported," says Kathleen Tierney, a sociologist at the University of Colorado at Boulder

Here you go, Mizz Tierney

20 posted on 09/15/2005 3:23:40 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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