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Military May Play Bigger Relief Role (Posse Comitatus Act to be Reviewed/Revised)
Breit Bart.com & AP ^ | September 17, 2005 | Robert Burns AP Military Writer

Posted on 09/18/2005 9:52:51 AM PDT by Very Goldwater

President Bush's push to give the military a bigger role in responding to major disasters like Hurricane Katrina could lead to a loosening of legal limits on the use of federal troops on U.S. soil.

Pentagon officials are reviewing that possibility, and some in Congress agree it needs to be considered.

Bush did not define the wider role he envisions for the military. But in his speech to the nation from New Orleans on Thursday, he alluded to the unmatched ability of federal troops to provide supplies, equipment, communications, transportation and other assets the military lumps under the label of "logistics."

The president called the military "the institution of our government most capable of massive logistical operations on a moment's notice."

At question, however, is how far to push the military role, which by law may not include actions that can be defined as law enforcement _ stopping traffic, searching people, seizing property or making arrests. That prohibition is spelled out in the Posse Comitatus Act of enacted after the Civil War mainly to prevent federal troops from supervising elections in former Confederate states.

Speaking on the Senate floor Thursday, Sen. John Warner, R-Va., chairman of the Armed Services Committee, said, "I believe the time has come that we reflect on the Posse Comitatus Act." He advocated giving the president and the secretary of defense "correct standby authorities" to manage disasters.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bad; badidea; no; noway; possecomitatus; stop; stopitnow; wlbj
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The failures at the state level should not be solved at the federal level. Alabama and Mississippi handle Katrina well, it was the Louisiana State government that failed.

Regardless, I don't want to see the National Guard in a foreign country, and the US military in our streets.

1 posted on 09/18/2005 9:52:52 AM PDT by Very Goldwater
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To: Very Goldwater
Calm down...they're just continuing to lay the foundation for the Police State 1984 style. Don't worry.

I'm here from the government and I'm here to help.

2 posted on 09/18/2005 9:55:11 AM PDT by xrp (Executing assigned posting duties FLAWLESSLY, zero mistakes)
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To: Very Goldwater

Slippery sloap... alert!


3 posted on 09/18/2005 9:59:01 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: Very Goldwater

I knew this bullchit was coming...thanks to an absolute incompetence of the lousyana dembos


4 posted on 09/18/2005 10:00:34 AM PDT by shield (The Greatest Scientific Discoveries of the Century Reveal God!!!! by Dr. H. Ross, Astrophysicist)
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To: Very Goldwater
Actually the think that forced Posse thru was the Lincoln County Wars.
5 posted on 09/18/2005 10:00:53 AM PDT by dts32041 (Shinkichi: Massuer, did you see that? Zatôichi: I don't see much)
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To: Very Goldwater

I strongly suspect the Pentagon's lawyers will seek to limit any changes to the Posse Comitatus themselves. We in the military don't WANT to be the police. We don't train to be police officers and don't want to. To put soldiers who don't train for policing in policing roles is as dangerous a situation for the soldiers as it is for the civilians. If we'd wanted to be police officers, we'd have joined the police.


6 posted on 09/18/2005 10:00:55 AM PDT by No Longer Free State (Saddam Hussein harboured and paid terrorists. Any questions?)
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To: Very Goldwater

The Possee Comitatus Act should be left the way it is... the only thing that needs to be changed are the people in charge of the cities and state of Louisiana.


7 posted on 09/18/2005 10:01:15 AM PDT by Venerable Bede
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To: Very Goldwater

If they want to patrol the borders, I'm all for it, but you just can't trust the gubmint.


8 posted on 09/18/2005 10:01:56 AM PDT by AmericanChef
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To: Very Goldwater

The Dims will raise a great cry against this in an attempt to style themselves defenders of liberty.


9 posted on 09/18/2005 10:05:21 AM PDT by claudiustg (Vote for one Democrat, vote for them all...)
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To: Very Goldwater

No, no, no, no, no!


10 posted on 09/18/2005 10:07:47 AM PDT by thegreatbeast (Quid lucrum istic mihi est?)
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To: Very Goldwater

The only solution to anything seems to be more power to the government. Someone is enjoying this crap!


11 posted on 09/18/2005 10:11:07 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (LET ME DIE ON MY FEET IN MY SWAMP, ALEX KOZINSKI FOR SCOTUS)
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To: xrp
I'm here from the government and I'm here to help.

They told 70 y/o Patricia Konie,"We are here to help you" before they tackled her, disarmed her, and drug her out of her stocked house to a 2.5x6 foot cot.

12 posted on 09/18/2005 10:11:07 AM PDT by Nov3 ("This is the best election night in history." --DNC chair Terry McAuliffe Nov. 2,2004 8p.m.)
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To: Very Goldwater

bump


13 posted on 09/18/2005 10:11:36 AM PDT by trawler
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To: claudiustg
The Dims will raise a great cry against this in an attempt to style themselves defenders of liberty.

Only a MORON would not raise a cry against this.

14 posted on 09/18/2005 10:12:04 AM PDT by Nov3 ("This is the best election night in history." --DNC chair Terry McAuliffe Nov. 2,2004 8p.m.)
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To: No Longer Free State

If I were still in the military and I saw another soldier confiscating a gun from a civilian, I would shoot the soldier, shoot to kill. I don't think I'm the only one. Perhaps it would even be legal to do that.


15 posted on 09/18/2005 10:14:30 AM PDT by henderson field
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To: Very Goldwater

This is a matter for Congress to decide, not the President or the Pentagon.

Nonetheless, any realistic exercise involving a large scale disaster, natural or by terror, should have already led to such a review and recommendations to Congress to provide guidance. I believe that even before 9/11, when Federal Govt planners ran "Dark Winter" (a simulated biological terror attack)....these command and control issues involving the use of military and National Guard for emergency support...were obvious.

While the framers of our Constitution envisioned local and State governments stepping up to the forefront in leadership during crises.... because theoretically, the lower the level of govt, the more likely to be trusted by the people.... I'm sure our Framers never envisioned people like Ray Nagin and Kathleen Blanco being elected to these offices of what used to be public trust.

And I'm sure we can name a few other notably corrupt and/or inept Mayors and Governors......

Factually, even when the people get what they elect, the Feds cannot stand by and let them suffer what they deserve. The Constitution overides the option for the Feds to stand-by when the State fails to act and innocent citizens are deprived of life and liberty by hoodlums willing to murder and destroy for liquor jewelry, plasma screen TV's, and designer running shoes.


16 posted on 09/18/2005 10:15:41 AM PDT by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: Venerable Bede

Agreed!

And not to worry: the Republicans won't let this happen . . . heh-heh.


17 posted on 09/18/2005 10:17:40 AM PDT by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: henderson field

You are dangerously disturbed. I am glad you are no longer in the military.


18 posted on 09/18/2005 10:17:53 AM PDT by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: Very Goldwater
If the law is amended to allow the military to perform law enforcement it will be a bad day for the nation.

One of these day the republicans will loose to the democrats and I fear the use of the military and the patriot act powers by people who will use them to go after conservative groups.

The lack of exposure of how the Clintons went after the right using then existing powers is leading to this. No one is afraid of a Hillary presidency with her having the powers of the Patriot Act II. Its my nightmare.
19 posted on 09/18/2005 10:19:28 AM PDT by dinok
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To: silverleaf

At least he understands what happened in NO. The Constitution was shredded and pissed on by every governmental agency imaginable.


20 posted on 09/18/2005 10:19:46 AM PDT by Nov3 ("This is the best election night in history." --DNC chair Terry McAuliffe Nov. 2,2004 8p.m.)
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