Posted on 09/19/2005 9:21:15 PM PDT by RWR8189
Schröder could stay as chancellor until poll in new year
The chances of Angela Merkel becoming Germany's next chancellor suffered a setback yesterday when the Greens appeared to rule out joining a coalition with her conservative CDU party.
With the country in political gridlock after Sunday's inconclusive general election, speculation was growing last night that the chancellor, Gerhard Schröder, would try to force new elections early next year.
A day of political horse-trading left Europe's most populous country facing months of confusion. No government is likely to emerge until November at the earliest. Both the main party leaders announced that they had begun talks with smaller parties in an attempt to cobble together a coalition government.An exhausted-looking Mrs Merkel urged Mr Schröder's Social Democrats to accept that they were "not the strongest group" in Germany's new parliament and therefore had no right to form a government. She said she had "initiated contacts" with other parties, and was prepared to talk to all groups apart from the Left party. But the Social Democrats' chairman, Franz Müntefering, said Mr Schröder would carry on as chancellor and was himself leading coalition talks. "It is clear that Germans do not want Mrs Merkel as their chancellor," he said. "We want to rule with Mr Schröder as chancellor and implement much of that which we have undertaken to do." With the Free Democrats (FDP) apparently ruling out any alliance with Mr Schröder, the only viable coalition appeared to be one between Mrs Merkel's CDU, the FDP and the Greens - a so-called Jamaican coalition because the parties' black, yellow and green colours resemble the Jamaican flag. But Joschka Fischer, the Green party leader, appeared to swiftly quash that suggestion. Speaking from a hangar in Tempelhof airport, he said the coalition "would not happen". "There is no majority for a neo-conservative government in Germany," he said. "The combined result of the CDU-FDP is less than a majority. This is a very important signal that we have to take into account in our conversations." He told the Guardian: "Can you really see Angela Merkel and Edmund Stoiber [the leader of the CDU's Bavarian sister party, the CSU] sitting round the table in dreadlocks? This is more our style. It's impossible. I don't see that." On issues such as atomic energy, taxation, social policy and Turkey's membership of the European Union, the conservatives and the Greens had nothing in common, he added. Both Mrs Merkel and Mr Schröder failed to win an outright majority for their parties in Sunday's election, which Mrs Merkel had been widely expected to win. Her CDU party got just 35.2% of the vote - one of its worst results ever, and far less than opinion polls had predicted. Mr Schröder's Social Democrats won 34.3% of the vote. Mrs Merkel's coalition partner, the FDP, won 9.9%, with the Greens on 8.1% and the recently formed Left party on 8.7%. Under Germany's constitution, the country's new parliament has to elect a new chancellor when it meets next month. But with Mrs Merkel unable to command a majority in the Bundestag, she is unlikely to win in a secret ballot of MPs. After three rounds of voting, the country's president, Horst Köhler, could then invite her to form a minority centre-right government. But he is unlikely to invoke this option, which would almost certainly lead to the new government's swift demise and further humiliation for an already weakened Mrs Merkel. Instead, constitutional experts believe, Mr Köhler will dissolve parliament. Until this happens, Mr Schröder will carry on as chancellor until Germans go to the polls again, probably in January. Asked who was likely to win the face-off between Mr Schröder and Mrs Merkel, Nils Diederich, a professor of political science at Berlin's Free University, said he had his money on the chancellor: "There is now a poker game going on, with Schröder playing for very high stakes. The reason he was so relaxed on election night is that he knows he is now in a favourable position." With the euro plummeting, nearly five million of Germany's population on the dole and the economy stagnant, there is little prospect that reforms to Europe's biggest economy can take place until the confusion has been sorted out. "We are in a mess," said Ulrike Guerot, a fellow at the German Marshall Fund in Berlin. "Germany is not Italy. We are proud to be in a stable democracy. It's completely new for us to have this scattered election result. "But in a way this reflects what has happened to German society. The consensus that used to exist here has gone," she added. The most likely way out of Germany's electoral crisis would be for the two big parties to form a "grand coalition", a left-right political experiment last tried in the 1960s. But on Sunday night, Mr Schröder categorically ruled out taking part in a coalition led by Mrs Merkel. And for Mrs Merkel to take part in a coalition led by Mr Schröder would be political suicide. Last night, one expert said it would be in Germany's best interests if both leaders resigned. "If they wanted to help Germany, resigning would be the best way," said Bernd Becker, a political analyst. "Schröder will now try everything he can to stay as chancellor," he added. "The problem for Mrs Merkel is that even if she does become chancellor she will be extremely weak. Her own party is already plotting to get rid of her." The man widely blamed for costing Mrs Merkel the election, meanwhile, announced yesterday that he was giving up politics and returning to his job as a professor. Paul Kirchhof, who Mrs Merkel appointed as shadow finance minister, became the centre of controversy after Mr Schröder launched a merciless campaign against his plans for a 25% flat tax. "I will concentrate on my duties as professor for law and tax law," he said.
Couldn't happen to a more deserving bunch of socialists.
Eff 'em.
Why would the CDU even want to work with the Greens?
Agreed. Also, when watching these parliamentary elections, I am glad we have the system we do. What a mess.
consider the source. I think angie gets the nod after three ballots.
Agreed, for people here who decry the two party system in this country consider the alternatives. The only way I could ever think about supporting a third party candidate is in a situation where there is a run off between the top two vote getters if no one receives a majority.
Shouldn't the US Press be gasping in horror at their system of choosing a Chancellor as obviously it is a totally insane and flawed system.. Shouldn't we be snickering and saying how much better ours is. Much like Europe did to us in 2000.
"Why would the CDU even want to work with the Greens?"
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This article explains it. They need 50% of the votes to form a coalition, and even with the pro-business FDP, they don't have it, so they rather have the 8% of the Greens, than team up with Schroeder's party, who wouldn't let them do anything.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1486920/posts
"Merkel had hoped to be able to form a coalition with the business-friendly Free Democratic Party (FDP) under Guido Westerwelle. Despite the FDP's surprising result of 10.2 percent -- against just 7.4 percent in 2002 elections -- the two parties together are far from the 50 percent they would need to form a governing coalition."
If we teased the Germans about their elections, their 'civilized' response would be to burn the Reichstag and blame the neo-cons (codeword for Jooooooos) for it.
Not likely. The CDU would have won if NOT for Angela Merkel. I think they'd rather thrive under Schroeder than squander their goodwill under her.
Agreed. Western Europe (excpet for GB) is an inconsequential sideshow.
They have already demonstrated they don't support us, and have done their best to undermine US interests, and failed miserably. They are incontinent Socialists.
It would appear that they're in for another vote. Good thing, in some ways, because minority and teensy-majority gov'ts in parliamentary systems such as Germany's have historically been unable to do much of anything, including in many instances even pass a budget.
It sounds awfully like the situation around 1932 or so over there.
we shall see.
Ok everyone, time to point a finger at Germany and laugh. Now it's their turn to show us just how you deal with a hotly contested election with wafer-thin margins. Let's see how long it takes them to get a Kanzler who can do anything.
The single reason that Germany gets the heavy leftist vote is the former East Germany. It can be clearly seen of a map of the votes, like our Blue and Red state version.
All across the south of Germany, they vote conservative. Baden-Wurttemberg and Bavaria.
Perhaps a more wise method of joining the east, would have been to keep them out of the federal government picking business for a few decades.
Because they have mucked up the whole country.
That should give those knuckleheaded krauts plenty of time to bury their heads even deeper in the sand.
I'm gratified that I'm NOT the only paranoid schizophrenic, or is that schitzoid paranoiac, on this site.
The Euroweenies frighten me when they get into this socialist stage. We've all seen it before (a couple of times last century) and WE end up pulling them out of the mess they've created, simply for self-preservation.
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