Posted on 09/20/2005 7:02:45 AM PDT by Right Wing Professor
"So it's your way or the highway, then, huh? If you eventually win your creationist debate, will you then start a campaign to shut down all Christian churches that believe differently for yours? I can't wait to see that happen."
How silly! Some Christian denominations accept evolution as the means the deity used to populate the planet. Others do not. As far as I know, there is no move on the part of either to eliminate the other.
It's just differences in doctrine. Such is the nature of organized Christianity. Were it not for doctrinal differences, everyone would still be members of the Roman Catholic or one of the Eastern Orthodox churches.
But they're not. There are hundreds of denominations, some of which differ on very, very tiny points of doctrine. Others differ hugely in doctrine.
Yet, all are denominations of Christianity.
I'm pretty sure that answering questions is part of the job description. And sometimes you get tough customers. They asked questions, she answered them, then she got a drink of water.
Are you saying you're unsure whether evolution is a belief system, a theory, or a point of view? Some folks don't mind the theory but think adopting it as a system of belief is quite another matter.
A person that goes to a "learn about Christianity" forum for the expressed purpose of asking lots of critical questions, to the point where the instructor cannot present the material she is supposed to present, would be doing the same thing as what these people did to the museum docent. That indeed would be the equivalent of tossing a turd in the holy water.
The museum mobbers were not there to learn about evolution. They were there to keep the docent from presenting the material. It's nasty, disruptive behavior.
To tell you why Christ does not fit into the TOE would require of discussion of what exactly is Written in the Bible. Not exactly a common acceptable Book for the evolutionists.
The Bible does NOT tell of a young earth, or the creation of only two adult human beings and the length of those days of creation being only a 24/7 time frame. But hey the evolutionists does not believe as is their God given right.
Me? Did I give my viewpoint somewhere?
Geez... quite the condescending attitude.
I get the impression that you are not one with which a rational discussion can be held. You are on the attack in the same manner as what you are attacking. It is hard to build much of a standing by rolling over those that may agree but be more personable.
Yes of course he did.
And Paul Dirac believed in Santa Claus
And Galileo believed the moon was made of Green Cheese
And I believe claims made by Creationists
I agree with you 100%. However "justMythoughts" apparently doesn't. He says that you can't be a Christian and accept evolution. :)
"Some folks don't mind the theory but think adopting it as a system of belief is quite another matter."
There's a difference between a "belief system" and believing that some scientific theory represents the most logical explanation of a phenomenon.
A "belief system" applies to much of one's life. Belief in a scientific theory hardly affects anything in one's life. I believe that the theory of evolution is a very logical explanation of speciation. That said, I rarely give it much thought, except in threads like this one. It is essentially irrelevant to my daily life.
One cannot say the same of a "belief system" which colors every aspect of one's life, as does religious faith.
This is why crevo threads go bad.
Well, at least we have fosil evidence that traces man back to apes.We don't? . . . We do.
It's not evidence that would hold up in a murder trial.
Well, at least there's evidence of one species evolving from another and that by logical extention- oh, we don't have that either? . . . We do.
Which illustrates a semantic dispute over the meaining of "species." Anyway, TalkOrigins is not a scientific site It's a propaganda site. It's purpose is not to further knowledge to debate but to advocate a viewpoint.
"Unless you're a libertarian who does not believe in any government role beyond law enforcement and the military, everyone agrees that education is a legitimate role of government. Public education is supposed to help ensure all the voting citizens out there are well-informed and have a proper understanding of our system of government."
You are either incredibly naive or mis-informed.
The roots of public education in the developed world, and more specifically, in the US:
http://www.thomhartmann.com/realschool.shtml
Look at the quotes and writings on the benefits of public school by he premier educators of the late 19th and early 20th centuries (Mann, Dewey, etc.), and you will find the real reason why we have compulsory education.
This is my response to you from another post, repeated:
"The museum mobbers were not there to learn about evolution. They were there to keep the docent from presenting the material. It's nasty, disruptive behavior."
Some folks don't mind the theory but think adopting it as a system of belief is quite another matter.
Then don't adopt it as a system of belief. What could be more simple?
I am not defending nor criticizing what these folks did, but why do you think that asking a museum guide questions.......even multiple questions....... is inappropriate?
(And please leave out the word 'mob.' It's not verifiable).
It is exactly the kind of evidence that is presented at murder trials. But far more carefully researched and presented.
It'd be helpful if you'd include the post you're referring to because I have no idea what has set you off.
The force of gravity. You exactly prove my point. Now explain which force it is that compels reproduction and motivates life. "Nothing happens without a cause" (Newton, Einstein, Feynman, Herschel...)
Your chart about reactance applies to billions of chemical reactions but they do not all constitute life. Only those specific reactions utilizing the 4 amino acids in DNA seem compelled to reporduce and create ever more complex and ever more energy dependnent constellations of reactivity.
BTW: Gravity does not exist in our world as we can perceive it with our own senses. "It" does not "fit" within our current 4 dimensions but it influences matter that does exist in our 4 dimensions. We know of it only because we can see its effect on other items that we can touch and see. Gravity fits the description of a "spirit", it cannot be seen, heard, felt, tasted etc ...it cannot be measured directly. We can only measure the force it applies to things that we can then measure directly.
Yet the pseudo-scientists reject seeing "life" and accepting that some "spirit" could possibly motivate the existence of life while they do accept that gravitional force exists when they can only see its affects on other objects. This bias against life force is simply a bias against the Bible. Had the Bible specifically discussed gravity then we would still this day be arguing against the gravity "spirit" as mere superstition by so many athestic "scientists".
Sorry I missed your ping earlier. Big storm is passing by and I've been offline. I'm cranking up the ping machine ...
"He says that you can't be a Christian and accept evolution. :)"
Ah, yes. The "nae true Scot" argument. If you do not believe as this person believes, then you are not a "true Christian."
How silly that is, given the history of Christianity. If one followed that argument to its conclusions, there is only one true Christian on the planet, but every Christian is that one true Christian.
I've never met two Christians who shared every part of their doctrine. And that includes Roman Catholic priests with whom I've had discussions about doctrine.
Seems that Christianity is broad enough to accept lots of disagreements over doctrinal issues. But some Christians have a bit of trouble with those disagreements. Taken to its extreme, we get the "not a true Christian" or "nae true Scot" argument. Amusing.
Interesting.
If questions are not allowed, the questioners can be 'asked' to leave. If questions ARE allowed, then the job of the instructor is to answer them, since that is why they're there, to answer questions.
That indeed would be the equivalent of tossing a turd in the holy water.
I repeat: totally, mentally unbalanced, and more proof that you people see evolution as your religion and questioning it as blasphemy.
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