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To: Mark Felton
Every hypothesis and theory is an act of faith.

A hypotheses is a conjecture. You test it to find its truth. No faith there. A theory is an explanation for what has been observed, in all those hypotheses and tests. It is variable, changing to fit what has been observed. No faith there.

Furthermore, the more science has advanced the more it has validated the Bible.

Science has validated that the Earth is flat and immovable? Rabbits chew cud? Pi is 3?

Perhaps you weould like to lecture Sir Isaac about scientific processes and their obviation of Biblical truths?

Isaac couldn't explain some things about the orbits of the planets, and thought God did it. We later found out the scientific explanation. ID is purely "God of the Gaps" and doesn't belong in science. Take it to the philosophy class.

261 posted on 09/20/2005 9:32:23 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat

"Rabbits chew cud? "

Hey, they don't chew their cud, but they sure eat their poop. Maybe those old guys missed that part, eh, and thought they were chewing their cud. I wonder what else they missed?


267 posted on 09/20/2005 9:34:11 AM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: antiRepublicrat
"Isaac couldn't explain some things about the orbits of the planets, and thought God did it. We later found out the scientific explanation."

So? God still did it. LOL. You postulate that because we learn how something works means that God is no longer responsible? Isaac credited God even for the things he understood.

This seems to be a consistent intellectual fallacy about the nature of God among those who view religion as some club for the ignorant. They think "ignorant" people need the idea of God to explain the mysteries of the universe because science hans't explained it.

People of faith however know that God is responsible for all things, even those that are well described by science.

God is not simply a "bookmark" for that which is unknown.

374 posted on 09/20/2005 11:12:58 AM PDT by Mark Felton (Those who despise instruction despise their own soul...)
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To: antiRepublicrat
" A hypotheses is a conjecture. You test it to find its truth. No faith there. "

A hypothesis is a belief, based on some evidence, that may be proven true.

The same thing for "faith". We have much evidence and feel confident we will be proven correct.

However, regarding the Holy Spirit and the power of Jesus Christ, that is not faith. It is a certain fact, and because of that I give credence to all that Christ teaches. When my wife and I asked Christ to enter our hearts we immediately felt the power of the Holy Spirit come to life within our souls. It was something unlike anything we had ever experienced before. All of our faculties sensed and knew the truth of that spirit. It was electric. It was powerful and unexpected.

My wife is Jewish and I was a fallen-away Catholic. I rejected it when I was a teen. For 25 years we were deists, at most. But when, with some skepticism, we asked Christ to come into our hearts, as an experiment, albeit sincere, it was incredible and ovewrwhelming. My wife broke down in tears of joy.

That happened about 18 months ago.

We are both successful professionals. I'm an electrical engineer, she a mathemitician. I own a business, she is a 2nd level engineering manager at a very major aerospace firm. We've both been in R&D for decades. We have children etc...We are very well off. We needed nothing. We viewed Christianity as just other flavor of any other religion. We were dead wrong.

We'd been to ethical societies, synagogues, unitarian universalist fellowships etc etc etc and they all were about the same, just fellowships and/or dogma, doctrines and power structures.. We were seeking something but couldn't define it. Materialism didn't quench it.

When we accepted Christ it was on our own, in our bedroom. Nobody coerced us or coached us. We were not converted. We simply learned and then accepted a truth. There is a spirit from God and a capacity for humans to allow that spirit to flourish within them, if they will accept it. Christ was the key. Follow Him and that spirit will come to life and flourish.

The presence of the Holy Spirit within us cannot be proven 'scientifically" any more than "love" can be proven scientifically. But it is an absolute truth.

Likewise for love. Does "love" exist? How can it? Where is the "love" hypothesis for physicists to prove? How about the "soul"? Does it exist scientifically?

Science cannot deal with love, the soul or the common cold, yet you have faith that it is superior to the Creator of the universe.

Your faith in science is simply not supported by science.

396 posted on 09/20/2005 11:34:22 AM PDT by Mark Felton (Those who despise instruction despise their own soul...)
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