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To: Adder
Why not just build some in the desert? Then we could really tell the wackos to pound sand. #1 Refineries need water and lots of it. #2 You've never sat through a construction sight orientation on not killing a Mojave green rattlesnake or desert tortoise, have you?
76 posted on 09/21/2005 10:40:06 AM PDT by El Laton Caliente (NRA Member & GUNSNET.NET Moderator)
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To: El Laton Caliente

LOL...

No, I haven't. But there are plans[dreams?] for desert refineries that I read about in Wired a couple months ago.

I'll try to find the article and post it or a link.


114 posted on 09/22/2005 5:10:50 AM PDT by Adder (Can we bring back stoning again? Please?)
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To: El Laton Caliente

Thought I might dig up something...

"A much-debated oil refinery in Yuma County on Thursday got an air quality permit that state environmental regulators say is the toughest one ever issued.

"If constructed, this will be the cleanest refinery ever built," said Arizona Department of Environmental Quality Director Steve Owen in a news release. ADEQ issued the permit.

The "if" depends on whether Arizona Clean Fuels, the Phoenix-based company that wants to build the refinery, can raise the $2.5 billion it will cost and begin construction within a limited time frame.

The company has raised between $20 million and $30 million from private investors — and spent that money — over the last five years as it went through the permitting process.

Under state law, the permit is good for five years but will expire if Arizona Clean Fuels does not begin construction within 18 months of the permit’s effective date of May 14, ADEQ said.

Glenn McGinnis, Arizona Clean Fuels chief executive officer, said he believes the company can raise the necessary capital and start construction in time. McGinnis said a total of 50 individuals have invested money in the project thus far, though most of the capital has come from three investors.

McGinnis said all are U.S. investors and wish to remain anonymous. McGinnis said the company now will seek additional investors and work to get the additional permits the company needs to move forward with their plans. The refinery itself will cost about $2 billion, and a proposed underground crude oil pipeline from Mexico about $500 million.

McGinnis said the company will ask ADEQ for an extension if it can't meet the 18-month deadline.

The refinery would be the first one built in the United States in nearly 30 years. The 150,000 barrel-a-day facility would be located on vacant desert land 40 miles east of Yuma, near Tacna.

Company officials have estimated construction could start in 2006 and be completed in 2009."


116 posted on 09/22/2005 5:57:49 AM PDT by Adder (Can we bring back stoning again? Please?)
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