Posted on 09/22/2005 4:15:34 AM PDT by SeaLion
As for ice cores, the same argument is applicable. There is no possible way to determine how many times a patch of ice froze or thawed in any year, nor how many years it may have remained frozen without freezing. It's all circular assumption. The ends justify the means for all old earthers.
What you are forming is a classic strawman. The situation you wish to present is impossible; if it were possible, someone would have found the boner long ago. Give me some reality.
The rings are read in groups, not in isolation. Similar ring patterns can be discerned in various trees.
As for ice cores, the same argument is applicable. There is no possible way to determine how many times a patch of ice froze or thawed in any year, nor how many years it may have remained frozen without freezing. It's all circular assumption.
It is not "ice" being read, but remnants of annual snowfalls. The ice cores are calibrated by checking for inclusions from known historical events, such as volcanic eruptions or forest fires.
The ends justify the means for all old earthers.
It seems that, by purposefully misrepresenting the science involved, this statement would be more applicable to YEC types.
Frozen without thawing I meant
Junior, I didn't expect you to understand. Annual snowfall cannot be asserted nor proven. It's all circular assumption.
As for the 'similar' ring patterns, I can demolish that nonsense on my own property. The difference in the growth of digger pines that grow side by side can be remarkable, and I find myself puzzled by those differences often. Also, older trees often grow at different rates than young trees. This can be due to available ground water, or differences in the terrain that the tree is encountering as its roots grow.
Will you be replying to my post #70?
Your #70 seems to have the same illogic embeded as Radio Astronomer's post. Trees simply don't grow in unison, so you cannot assume something that was not observed. Also, living trees are only agglomerating c14 in the living portions, not the core. There is no measureable exchange between the cambium and the core wood.
(it makes argumentation easier)
I am doing no such thing. I was questioning your thought process. It has direct applicability here.
But, no matter. You want reality? Okay, here's reality. There is a set of irrefutable scientific arguments for the fact that the events in Genesis simply could not have occurred as described. Impossible under the laws of the physics and the universe.
Now, given that extra-biblical knowledge and that the text of Genesis says different things that cannot be reconciled, the obvious question is presented: does a believer in the bible reject the sure knowledge outside of the bible and believe the words in the book? Or does he believe that the bible is in error or his understanding is in error and believe what reason tells him to be the truth? Or does he simply disbelieve, a priori, anything that he fears conflicts with the text by asserting that "it's not true"?
Right! And the Carbon-14 begins to decay in the dead parts.
Take a look at the site below. Note however that the calibration curve has been extended past what this site has--it must be a couple of years old. http://www.sonic.net/bristlecone/dendro.html.
If you still refuse to see this evidence I'm going to have to stop trying. If you are a young earth creationist and will not entertain any other view, then spending my time trying to explain things is useless. If that's the case just say so.
The laws of physics were born with creation. Our space-time continuum was created. It will also be destroyed. There is an existance outside of time; that's God's existance as well as the heavenly host (angels) and after the ressurection and the white throne judgement there will be time no more. Without this universe, where will the 'laws of physics' be?
The real difference to me is that you are in eternal peril, and clinging to your old earth security blanket is preventing your eternal security.
Of course, that would be a lie - so yes, I guess not only *could* IDists say that, they *would* say it.
You don't know what you're talking about. The creationists speak openly of a "wedge strategy." Try reading Mere Creation for an eye opening look at their thinking. It is clear that creationism is a political and social effort only, not scientific. The term assault is wholly warranted.
Dude, shhhh, haven't you gotten the talking points yet? ID makes no claims about the nature of the "designer" (wink, wink).
I find it doesn't need any seasoning, but de gustibus non est disputandum.
Actually quite a bit further (up to maybe 50Kya). One way radiocarbon dating has been calibrater is by examining ancient lake sediments. It is reliable because they can literaly see the years as layers.
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