Intelligent designers down on Dover

The York Dispatch ^ | 9/20/2005 | CHRISTINA KAUFFMAN

[Vive ut Vivas]

I would be most surprised, because I assumed you were male!

Indeed I am not! Though, of course, it could just be one of my many tricks to lure in minions followers. :-)

[harbinger of doom]

If I announced here on FreeRepublic that I, Vive ut Vivas, am the one true Goddess, and that all other Gods and Flying Spaghetti Monsters are false, would you believe me?
Why would your announcement of that have any significance to others?

[Vive ut Vivas]

You can keep pounding your drum that the Bible is simply mans interpretation and I'll counter with the Word of God is the Word of God.

Here's the problem. Your belief that the Bible is the inspired word of God is just a feeling, completely outside of observation and science. As such, it has little to do with scientific reality. You have nothing to base your belief on except for the fact that you believe it.

[Vive ut Vivas]

Why would your announcement of that have any significance to others?

Well, if it was true, it would be pretty significant, wouldn't it?

[harbinger of doom]

Why would it be significant if it were true? What exactly are you 'peddling'?

[Antonello]

I think you could come up with more than that. Here's some help, compliments of ARN.org:

I noticed that you inadvertently forgot to include the substantive and overwhelmingly convincing Numerology Evidence, also complements of ARN.

[PatrickHenry]

If I announced here on FreeRepublic that I, Vive ut Vivas, am the one true Goddess, and that all other Gods and Flying Spaghetti Monsters are false, would you believe me?

I certainly can't prove that you're wrong. Therefore ...

[balrog666]

If I announced here on FreeRepublic that I, Vive ut Vivas, am the one true Goddess, and that all other Gods and Flying Spaghetti Monsters are false, would you believe me?

Hail, Goddess! In fact, lots of hail.

[Vive ut Vivas]

You don't find the Goddess of Everything who knows, sees, and controls All to be significant?! Hey, I'll be watching you...

But my point is that if you believed my claim, I would question your sanity. (Or reward your devoted followership.) There is nothing to back up my claim other than that I said it. Just because I said it doesn't make it true. Likewise, just because the Bible claims it is the word of God, doesn't mean it is.

[wallcrawlr]

You are mistaken.

[Vive ut Vivas]

I'm declaring today a religious holiday. Everyone gets the day off and free pizza.

[Vive ut Vivas]

How so?

[harbinger of doom]

You didn't claim that initially. You just 'existed'.
If it was on good authority you were who you said you were, you would certainly have a belief system worth looking into.

[SeaLion]

It helps to actually study the word to make sure the person is not a false preacher

But please, if you are serious about this, do read scripture in the original Hebrew and Greek, please.

It was reading the NT in the original that helped me free myself from the truly stultifying and hate-filled version of "Christianity" with which I had been raised. And taught me to never trust anyone who claims to speak on behalf of a broad group of any religion. Whatever your Christian belief, there are plenty of other self-styled Christians with a different take on scripture who think you're a heretic. Oh well, you can't win thta one.

And, after reading scripture, it is also very instructive to make a study of how they came into being, over centuries, and how the version we have today is the product of a number of fractious councils and a few more centuries of sectarian in-fighting

Learning to think for oneself was an enormous relief!

[Coyoteman]

ID and Creationism both highlight the false assumption that underlies evolution, that there is no God.

So remember, folks: the underlying principle behind both ID and Creationism is nothing more than a shameless lie.

Creationism seems not to be lying, as ID is. Creationists admitted their goals openly.

Creationism lost at the Supreme Court level in the late 1980s, after which ID was invented. ID claims to be a serious science without using any of the methods of science; in fact, every effort is made to destroy the scientific method enough that even ID can sneak in.

IDers even have to deny that their designer is the Hebrew god, which everyone can see is the case. I post alternative creation stories, but IDers can't stand them; they're the wrong religion!

ID is thus based on a lie--denying the obvious religious connection while in fact the whole point of the effort is to force religion into the classroom. Its easy to document, just check out the various websites that advocate ID. You won't find the alternative creation stories I post. But you'll find lots of bible passages. Check it out!

[harbinger of doom]

You mean you couldn't investigate the claims and make a reasonable conclusion? You would accept the claim blindly?

[Antonello]

He spoke in Genesis. God said Let there be light and there was. We are not adding or subtracting anything to this like the evos do.

Who actually wrote the Book of Genesis, and what was his source material? Is it an eyewitness account? Doesn't the fact that someone wrote it mean that at some point a man did add something to it?

[narby]

His word talks about why the world was made and how it fits into his plan.

Ok. And science explains *how* God created it. Evolution was His method.

[Vive ut Vivas]

You didn't claim that initially. You just 'existed'.

Eh? If I claimed it in my first post on FR then I'd be more legitimate? But I had to gain your trust, first, before I revealed Who I Am.

If it was on good authority you were who you said you were, you would certainly have a belief system worth looking into.

What kind of authority are we talking here? I'm sure it can be arranged.

[Antonello]

If it was on good authority you were who you said you were, you would certainly have a belief system worth looking into.

So it isn't so much the actual existence of a deity you respect, but rather what other men think of that deity?