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Intelligent designers down on Dover
The York Dispatch ^ | 9/20/2005 | CHRISTINA KAUFFMAN

Posted on 09/22/2005 6:53:07 AM PDT by Right Wing Professor

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As someone else on Pnada's Thumb commented, a prime example of rats leaving a sinking ship.
1 posted on 09/22/2005 6:53:07 AM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: Right Wing Professor; PatrickHenry

Ping for the list. And that's Panda!


2 posted on 09/22/2005 6:53:56 AM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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Why do you feel that the ToE says their is no God?


4 posted on 09/22/2005 7:09:34 AM PDT by SolarisRocks
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As someone else on Pnada's Thumb commented, a prime example of rats leaving a sinking ship.

Isn't DI on record with the "Wedge" document?

6 posted on 09/22/2005 7:16:41 AM PDT by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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Isn't DI on record with the "Wedge" document?

This is why they're so reluctant to have ID submitted to court challenge. There's a paper trail that they created that admits it's a Trojan Horse.

7 posted on 09/22/2005 7:18:46 AM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Since you aspire to logic, you might consider the possibility that your graven image, the Bible, is not God. Worshipping the Bible is not the same as worshipping God. And finding that there is no physical evidence for some Biblical stories is not the same as declaring there is no God.


8 posted on 09/22/2005 7:21:12 AM PDT by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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How do you make the leap that people worship the Bible? The actual book itself.

Where does that come from?

Its the God of that Bible that is worthy of honor and praise.


9 posted on 09/22/2005 7:24:34 AM PDT by wallcrawlr (http://www.bionicear.com)
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The net effect of all this is that mainstream science has tightened up its arguments, shed a bunch of flabby prose, and is a lot leaner and stronger.

I've seen this happen over the last couple of years on FR. People who accepted evolution passively have had to learn the arguments in some detail.


10 posted on 09/22/2005 7:26:40 AM PDT by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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How do you make the leap that people worship the Bible? The actual book itself.

Read what people say about it. It's called the Word of God. Is not all of creation the Word of God?

How does one book descended from the oral tradition of one middle eastern tribe, with a lot of Babylonian myths tossed in, overrule the untranslated Word of God, available to everyone in the original language -- the world and the univrse itself?

11 posted on 09/22/2005 7:30:52 AM PDT by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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"ID and Creationism both highlight the false assumption that underlies evolution, that there is no God."

1) Evolution doesn't care whether or not God exists, creationists made up that argument.
2) Even if it did assume God does not exist you can't call it a "false assumption" unless you can prove He does.

Remember no matter how strongly you believe something, it does not prove it as fact.

Now, I'm not saying God doesn't exist, I have no idea either way, I'll find out when I die. I'm simply pointing out the flaws in your logic.


12 posted on 09/22/2005 7:33:16 AM PDT by Join Or Die
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13 posted on 09/22/2005 7:49:51 AM PDT by wallcrawlr (http://www.bionicear.com)
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Every now and then I see a post that is, for lack of a better phrase,shockingly accurate. Yours is one:

"...How does one book descended from the oral tradition of one middle eastern tribe, with a lot of Babylonian myths tossed in, overrule the untranslated Word of God, available to everyone in the original language -- the world and the univrse itself?"

Perfect.


14 posted on 09/22/2005 7:57:59 AM PDT by From many - one.
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This is why they're so reluctant to have ID submitted to court challenge. There's a paper trail that they created that admits it's a Trojan Horse.

I'm beginning to wonder if that's the only reason.... they've gone to fairly great legnths to dissuade their own people from testifying. You don't suppose they're afraid of having their funding sources scrutinized under oath, do you?

15 posted on 09/22/2005 8:00:07 AM PDT by longshadow
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To: VadeRetro; Junior; longshadow; RadioAstronomer; Doctor Stochastic; js1138; Shryke; RightWhale; ...
EvolutionPing
A pro-evolution science list with over 300 names.
See the list's explanation at my freeper homepage.
Then FReepmail to be added or dropped.

16 posted on 09/22/2005 8:01:37 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (Disclaimer -- this information may be legally false in Kansas.)
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To: DaveLoneRanger
Why would scientists begin searching for an alternate model of origin that does not include God, unless they began with the fundamental premise that God was not there to create?

Scientists go where the evidence takes them. The evidence supports evolution. Evolution, and science in general, makes no claims about the existence or non-existence of God.

17 posted on 09/22/2005 8:02:42 AM PDT by malakhi
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You don't suppose they're afraid of having their funding sources scrutinized under oath, do you?

You mean, people like Howard Ahmanson?

18 posted on 09/22/2005 8:04:32 AM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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Is not all of creation the Word of God?
Sure, for folks who don't even believe in God, anything and everything could be the ultimate concern.
19 posted on 09/22/2005 8:05:34 AM PDT by harbinger of doom (I need a crutch.)
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The net effect of all this is that mainstream science has tightened up its arguments, shed a bunch of flabby prose, and is a lot leaner and stronger.

Lance Armstrong says the testicular cancer made him tougher. Still, I bet he'd prefer not to have had it. :-)

20 posted on 09/22/2005 8:06:50 AM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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