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"For her, it was just her daughter. It was her way or the highway. We couldn't see eye to eye on a lot of things. We called DHS on them and DHS never believed anything we said. They always believed everything Noel said."

But ... but ... but she was a single mom! The moms are ALWAYS honest, they ALWAYS have the best interests of their children at heart, they are ALWAYS the victims of thoughtless, irresponsible deadbeat dads, even ones who pay their child support! NATURALLY the DHS believed Noel and not the dad!

*sigh* You know, everytime I read something about a divorced dad going off his rocker and kidnapping his kids and killing himself and them, all I can think is: why is anyone surprised, except that it doesn't happen more often?

Our society has disenfranchised men completely from the role of fatherhood except at the mercy off the mother of the child. No wonder teenage boys are so angry and hostile against females. And no wonder so many youngsters -- whether they're children like Evelyn or adolescent gang-bangers -- die violent deaths.

We talk about terrorism and Katrina and a bad educational system, but in my mind, this is the single most dangerous threat to America today -- the legal disenfranchising of fatherhood through the family law courts and child care services that nearly always enable a single mom to regard the kids as her kids, to operate supposedly "shared" custody as "her way or the highway," and to enjoy exclusively the trust of DHS, while the father of her kids is unbelieved. It's disgusting how many children and men suffer broken hearts because of a screwed up system that lets women flaunt the worst of feminine nature, such as this mother of Evelyn, who takes a live-in boyfriend while raising a child. In my book, that alone should have had DHS hustling to get the little girl to her real dad.

this mother of Evelyn, who takes a live-in boyfriend while raising a child. In my book, that alone should have had DHS hustling to get the little girl to her real dad.

I agree with you. Or, depending on the father's circumstances, to a permanent, adoptive, married-couple family.

If a child survives to birth, the most dangerous person to that child is the live-in boyfriend of the unwed mother.

Question: Was Evelyn's father ever married to the bio-mother?

You know, everytime I read something about a divorced dad going off his rocker and kidnapping his kids and killing himself and them, all I can think is: why is anyone surprised, except that it doesn't happen more often?

There are no valid excuses for anyone to commit such a horrendous crime.

Btw, the situations that I know of are quite different. I am related to a father who received full custody of his son after he divorced his wife for cheating on him.

I also know a woman whose husband left her for another woman when she was seriously ill and pregnant with their second child, and that father was given joint custody. As a result, he drags her into court for everything, has left her penniless, as she struggles between paying medical bills and courts costs fighting him off. He doesn't even spend time with the kids when he has them - he has other people watch them for him - it's all about control to him.

So things are not so cut and dry. I do think a mother should be given primary custody, only to be taken away if she alone is the one who dissolved the marriage or if she presents a danger to the kids.