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Senate Clears NASA to Buy Russian Spaceships
Space.com ^ | 21 September 2005 | Brian Berger

Posted on 09/22/2005 8:56:22 AM PDT by Dan Evans

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To: TalonDJ
This is great! It opens the doors to NASA buying other space services from our own private sector.

Isn't that what NASA has been doing for the last fifty years? Bell, Martin Marrietta, North American Rockwell, etc.

61 posted on 09/22/2005 1:43:26 PM PDT by Dan Evans
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To: Gekko The Great
I doubt it. Too long of a wait for the payoff. Too much risk of getting nothing in return.

You are much too cynical. Bill Gates has spent billions on a cure for malaria. Where is the payoff? The jerks who are only interested in the bottom line get all the press but there are a lot of private foundations who spend a lot of money on worthwhile but non-profit endeavors.

62 posted on 09/22/2005 1:48:31 PM PDT by Dan Evans
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To: GarySpFc
I suspect you are not aware of it, but the United States Army will be having a large scale military excercise with the Russian Army in the Moscow region in 2007.

That's even more embarrassing.

63 posted on 09/22/2005 1:50:03 PM PDT by Dan Evans
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To: Dan Evans
Look on the bright side, NASA still produces much cooler animations and leads the way on researching global climate change compared to Russia.

/sarc

64 posted on 09/22/2005 1:53:43 PM PDT by add925 (The Left = Xenophobes in Denial)
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To: GarySpFc
Furthermore, I wonder how you will feel about riding in the new Boeing 787 and 747 Advanced, which are both designed at Boeing's Design Center in Moscow.

I didn't know that. It gets worse and worser.

65 posted on 09/22/2005 2:27:14 PM PDT by Dan Evans
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To: chimera
Much, if not most, of the work done in these programs is contracted to the private sector.

The problem is, government calls the shots and decides what is to be built. If they say "build a white elephant", the private sector will build the best white elephant money can buy.

The other problem is that, more and more, the government sets all kinds of conditions for contractors. They have to employ the correct percentage of women and minorities, they have to be sensitive to environmental correctness. And all of these things adversely affect safety.

66 posted on 09/22/2005 2:35:01 PM PDT by Dan Evans
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To: Dan Evans

Why not get our private sector involved? Surely they could do a better job.


67 posted on 09/22/2005 2:37:38 PM PDT by sono
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To: RussianJew

Add another: Dolgov (sp?), killed during ejection seat testing early in the Vostok program. Vostok capsule was dropped from a bomber with the purpose of testing the ejection seat.


68 posted on 09/22/2005 2:39:14 PM PDT by Fred Hayek (Liberalism is a mental disorder)
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To: sono
Why not get our private sector involved?

Get private property rights in outer space. Then the private sector will be interested.

69 posted on 09/22/2005 2:39:29 PM PDT by RightWhale (We in heep dip trubble)
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To: RightWhale

That would certainly give new meaning to the Miss Universe contest ...


70 posted on 09/22/2005 2:54:32 PM PDT by sono
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To: Dan Evans

bump for later


71 posted on 09/22/2005 3:32:07 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: sono

That's right. It would indeed.


72 posted on 09/22/2005 5:00:17 PM PDT by RightWhale (We in heep dip trubble)
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To: Fred Hayek

Petr Dolgov died during the long jump (28.6 km), from the baloon named VOLGA. It happen on first on November 1962. His glass face mask (Sorry for terminology - I dont know the exact words in english) was broken. HE WAS NOT A COSMONAUT. BTW, his partner - Evgeniy Andreev survived this jump.


73 posted on 09/22/2005 5:40:45 PM PDT by RussianJew
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To: RussianJew

Thanks. I stand corrected.


74 posted on 09/22/2005 6:20:38 PM PDT by Fred Hayek (Liberalism is a mental disorder)
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To: ClaudiusI
The Russians have no sense of asthetics.

If I were you I'd go take a look at St. Pietrsberg before making such nonsensical statements.

75 posted on 09/22/2005 6:22:41 PM PDT by Alter Kaker (Whatever tears one may shed, in the end one always blows one’s nose.-Heine)
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To: RightWhale; Brett66; xrp; gdc314; anymouse; RadioAstronomer; NonZeroSum; jimkress; discostu; ...
There are rumors that shuttle is going..


76 posted on 09/22/2005 7:50:47 PM PDT by KevinDavis (the space/future belongs to the eagles --> http://www.cafepress.com/kevinspace1)
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To: andyk

Guess Hubble is done for if that happens. :-(


77 posted on 09/22/2005 7:54:27 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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To: Dan Evans

What the hell is wrong with Lugar? The restriction was orgininally put into law to punish the Russians for their support of Iranian atomic developemnt. Last week Iran thumbed their nose at the world, and Russia was right there to sign them up for additional atomic work. President Bush ought to veto this bill based upon national security. Oddly, some Russians are assisting the Moslems to develop the nuke. Seems they haven't learned one thing from the continual conflict in Chechtyna.


78 posted on 09/22/2005 7:58:19 PM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: RadioAstronomer

It's sad that they are doing away with Hubble. I hate to see it go.


79 posted on 09/22/2005 9:03:53 PM PDT by FOG724 (Kool-Aide flavor of the day - formaldehyde)
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To: Dan Evans
The poster I responded to seemed to emphasize "selling services", and I pointed out that they already do that. You are free to characterize the quality of the projects in any manner you choose, but my point stands. "The private sector" (everyone bow and genuflect) still does the work. Everyone doing the work to realize those projects is employed by a "private company" (bow).

FWIW, the work I have done with NASA, most of the line engineers are reasonably competent. Trouble is, they start up the ladder and become bean counters more than engineers. That happens in the private sector, too, but in the public sector you are further hobbled by bureaucracy and politics. Long-term planning becomes mostly a meaningless exercise when your timeline is a two-year horizon. Then again, the private sector can have much shorter time horizons, such as the next quarterly report.

80 posted on 09/23/2005 5:18:55 AM PDT by chimera
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