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VATICAN: HOMOSEXUALS ARE NOT TO BE ORDAINED AS CATHOLIC PRIESTS
BREITBART.COM ^ | September 22, 2005 | Rachel Zoll, AP Religion Writer

Posted on 09/22/2005 6:06:19 PM PDT by BIRDS

"Expected Vatican Ban Roils American Church" Sep 22 4:15 PM US/Eastern

Word that a soon-to-be-released Vatican document will signal homosexuals are unwelcome in Roman Catholic seminaries even if they are celibate has devastated gay clergy _ and raised doubts among conservatives about whether an outright ban can be enforced.

A Vatican official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the document has not been released, said Thursday that the upcoming "instruction" from the Vatican's Congregation for Catholic Education will reaffirm the church's belief that homosexuals should not be ordained.

In recent decades, Vatican officials have stated several times that gays should not become priests because their sexual orientation is "intrinsically disordered" and makes them unsuitable for ministry.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: homosexualagenda; homosexuality; ordaination; priests; seminary; vatican
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I note that the headline by the Associated Press ("Expected Vatican Ban Roils American Church") indicates that the writer/AP considers the decision by the Vatican as "roil(ing)" the "American Church" and yet overlooks that the "American Church" is not distinct from the Vatican as to Catholics and Catholicism...and note that existing homosexuals currently in the Priesthood threaten "to leave" the Chuch if and when this instruction takes effect. My thoughts about this is that AP is working to defend a cultural insistence while attempting to marginalize the Vatican as separate and apart from something AP calls "the American Church," as if there is no community of Catholics worldwide, all in tune with the Vatican. If there is any separation or distinction between continents among Catholics, those are cultural differences from country/culture to another, but among Catholics, there's one Vatican as leader of all, as "Church" goes.

I support the instruction by the Vatican (this article) and consider it long overdue in honesty and frankness about the issue in relationship to the priesthood. And note that the insistence and threats by those making them (seems to include the AP based upon their headline) about this issue are spawned by cultural expectations, in defiance of Christianity itself, as also the Vatican.

1 posted on 09/22/2005 6:06:26 PM PDT by BIRDS
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To: BIRDS

Wow, good news. Wonder how many existing priests will this affect? Is the Church going to try to drum them out?


2 posted on 09/22/2005 6:08:33 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: BIRDS

well there goes a couple of billion dollars down the drain....... nice experiment. What next from the libs that have infected the church.... this has only taken 35 years to come to fruition and almost destroy the priesthood and the Catholic Church.


3 posted on 09/22/2005 6:09:29 PM PDT by Dick Vomer (liberals suck......... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.)
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To: BIRDS

This is a tad late.


4 posted on 09/22/2005 6:12:37 PM PDT by 359Henrie
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To: BIRDS

Why? Aren't priests required to vow celibacy?

"Celibacy is celibacy. Even if your thing is goats!"


5 posted on 09/22/2005 6:14:10 PM PDT by Lunatic Fringe (North Texas Solutions http://ntxsolutions.com)
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To: BIRDS

Excellent news by the RCC! Very welcome and a strong leadership message to the rest of the Christian flock.


6 posted on 09/22/2005 6:17:04 PM PDT by AgThorn (Bush is my president, but he needs to protect our borders. FIRST, before any talk of "Amnesty.")
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To: TonyRo76

That's a lot like saying "we ban all murderers from being priests, even ones who don't murder people."


8 posted on 09/22/2005 6:23:39 PM PDT by youthgonewild
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To: 359Henrie; Dick Vomer

Am I to take from your comments that this is a policy that is unwelcomed? Would you suggest not doing anything at all because it doesn't meet with your timelines?


9 posted on 09/22/2005 6:24:50 PM PDT by johniegrad
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To: BIRDS
... has devastated gay clergy ...

That's the point.

There should be no "gay" clergy.

10 posted on 09/22/2005 6:28:55 PM PDT by af_vet_1981
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To: johniegrad

It is welcomed. My time line was decades ago. I now want a purge.


11 posted on 09/22/2005 6:30:58 PM PDT by 359Henrie
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To: 359Henrie

Agreed, sir.


12 posted on 09/22/2005 6:31:48 PM PDT by johniegrad
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To: LibWhacker
Wonder how many existing priests will this affect? Is the Church going to try to drum them out?

No, the Church is not going to drum them out.

13 posted on 09/22/2005 6:32:48 PM PDT by sinkspur (Just west of DFW Airport. We can take in four or five and two dogs.)
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To: johniegrad
Almost like Stalin's. Almost, but a purge, a real commitment.
14 posted on 09/22/2005 6:34:32 PM PDT by 359Henrie
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To: BIRDS

Now if they'd come out with support for prosecution too...


15 posted on 09/22/2005 6:35:06 PM PDT by sabe@q.com (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: BIRDS

The Vatican did what it had to do, no more, no less.


16 posted on 09/22/2005 6:36:36 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Jeanine Pirro for Senate, Hillary Clinton for Weight Watchers Spokeswoman)
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To: 359Henrie

Pope Benedict XVI will not take any crap...he is gently shoving Bernard Law out of Rome. Although I adored the late Pope John Paul II, his last years as Pontiff were "status quo". Benedict XVI has an iron fist covered with velvet to make things right in the Church. And do not expect a short pontificate (less than 5 years)...Benedict XVI enjoys good health and it would not surprise me to see him for 10-15 years as Pontiff.


17 posted on 09/22/2005 6:38:35 PM PDT by Embraer2004
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To: 359Henrie
I have two thoughts about this.

First, as a physician, if a patient comes to me with an illness that could have been better treated at an early stage, do I reject the treatment of that illness at a later stage? No.

Secondly, my wife and I taught 10th graders at CCD last night for the first time and saw one of the most enthusiastic group of young people I had encountered in some time. Don't they deserve all the Church's efforts to improve itself and assume the orthodoxy these kids actually asked for?

18 posted on 09/22/2005 6:39:04 PM PDT by johniegrad
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To: af_vet_1981; All
Exactly.

And this: Expected Vatican Ban Roils American Church")
Where exactly is that church?

Do they mean the Roman Catholic Church in America?

I'm aware of no American Catholic sect.

19 posted on 09/22/2005 6:41:52 PM PDT by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: BIRDS

It's about time that the RCC calls a deviate a deviate!!!! IT will be for the better of the church IMHO.....


20 posted on 09/22/2005 6:44:01 PM PDT by eeriegeno
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