Posted on 09/24/2005 7:20:09 AM PDT by gobucks
Not necessarily, ever see 2001 Space Odyssey?
No I didn't say that. While science in interested in explaining things, ID explains nothing.
Your engine example is less than perfect. Yes it was designed by a human but to understand how it works and how it was made it must be taken apart, studied and evetually it will be understood.
ID does none of the above. ID accepts the engine was designed by an intelligence greater than it. It does not attempt to understand how the engine works or how it came to be.
I'm saddened, as a practising Christian, by this whole ID movement. A deep belief in God does not affect my ability to accept evolution and marvel at the wonder that it is.
ID does not preclude that Darwinian adaptation was part of the plan!
Australians have a federal system. If they're having trouble with Darwin, that should be handled by the local authorities or by the government of the Northern Territory.
Since when? The whole ID movement is based on attacking Darwin. It paints evolution and Darwinism as controversial when it really is not.
ID's and the movement itself aim is not to challenge evolution in the classroom, but to replace it.
I wonder at it too but I still believe that an "intelligence" was behind its development
Bravo!
That's one of the best, and most easily understood, analogies to get the essence of ID into the heads of even the clueless intellectuals.
IDers want to play on the main stream but the liberal left scientists don't want to play because they cannot prove evolution.
Not necessarily, ever see 2001 Space Odyssey?
LOL. That's a scientific theory?
I suppose we should teach '2001: A Space Odyssey' in biology classes too. That is, the IDer could be God, or black monoliths, or unknown space aliens, or maybe even the Flying Spaghetti Monster. All are equally possible in ID 'theory'
Darwinism is the theory which says that the Ferrari engine just sort of happened. In other words, given enough time, all of that metal and oil and rubber and copper wire and what not will just sort of come together.
The TOE says no such thing about engines or biological systems. But I'm sure you've heard that before and just ignore it.
"I'm with you on Bush's impact in this. He stood for academic freedom instead of the leftist monopoly over education, and it's clearly rippling on the other side of the world."
What a ridiculous comment.
You apparently preferred the days of real academic freedom when Mr Scopes was hauled before the court for failing to teach creationism.
"And the Darwinists might get something out of the IDers study of the complexity of biological systems."
Even a salt shaker is a complex device to an infant.
If they ever bring ID off the fringe tiers and decided to play on the main field of science, they'll be decimated.
Which is why they won't do it. The Discovery Institute and it's 'ID scientists' won't even back the DASD in the Dover trial, starting Monday Sept 26th.
"ID removes investigation."
Wrong. ID actually spurs investigation. The diligent pursuit for an explanation of the "Big Bang" is complementary to ID.
In fact, those middle age theologians working without all the scientific discoveries we have today were coming pretty close with the "First Cause Argument".
Don't let your biases block out your own need for investigation. To turn around your analogy, Darwinism can't explain how we got from the carburator to fuel injection - or did it "just happen" also.
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In fact, those middle age theologians working without all the scientific discoveries we have today were coming pretty close with the "First Cause Argument".
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Good point. And many of the best and brightest minds of the day were theologians and scientists simultaneously.
Don't forget adaptation. After a few billion years we would get a sub-species of SUV's.. due to rough terrain/environment. :)
Darwinism can't explain how we got from the carburator to fuel injection - or did it "just happen" also.
The TOE doesn't attempt to explain 'how we got from the carburetor to fuel injection'.
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