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The trouble with Darwin (Bush's I.D. comments changed Australia's Educational Landscape)
Sydney Morning Herald ^ | 24 Sept 2005 | Damien Murphy

Posted on 09/24/2005 7:20:09 AM PDT by gobucks

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To: Thumper1960

The logical conclusion to the battle between Evolutionism and Creationism is going to be the abandonment or the retention of religion based moral codes.

What? You think the TOE implies morality is useless? Has it occurred to you that morality may be beneficial to the survival of the species? I suggest you read up on Kant's Categorical Imperative.

81 posted on 09/24/2005 3:45:50 PM PDT by ml1954
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To: ml1954
I would submit to you that the biggest proponents of Darwin's theory have been liberals and atheists.

Need that be elaborated upon?

82 posted on 09/24/2005 3:48:32 PM PDT by Thumper1960 ("It is true that liberty is precious; so precious that it must be carefully rationed."-V.I.Lenin)
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To: Thumper1960

Maybe for you, but I have children, and I intend to make their world and secure and rational as posible, and I intend to do whatever I can to insure the stability of my culture for all my descendents.

If your Id is so out of control that you endanger my children and their posterity, I will do whatever it takes to stop you from harming society.

That's pretty much it. Most people have children and want the world to be safe for them. The rest will conform to this standard or face the dangerous end of a gun.

It just so happens that you and I are born into the luckiest society that ever existed. The physical and political threats we face are a nit compared to what most of the world's parents face.


83 posted on 09/24/2005 3:50:02 PM PDT by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: Thumper1960

I would submit to you that the biggest proponents of Darwin's theory have been liberals and atheists. Need that be elaborated upon?

Yes.

84 posted on 09/24/2005 3:50:57 PM PDT by ml1954
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To: Thumper1960

And of course, that is how 'id'iots evolve! (Gotta have a fragment of a sense of humor here....)


85 posted on 09/24/2005 4:00:42 PM PDT by gobucks (http://oncampus.richmond.edu/academics/classics/students/Ribeiro/Laocoon.htm)
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To: ml1954
"Darwinism", as popularly marketed, is a godless theory used by the anti-religious left and their fellow travelers to deny any notion of a "Creator". It is used to center Man as the epitome of nature. The zenith of evolution. With Man as the ultimate arbiter of what is and will be, Man becomes infallible. The stronger and the further evolved are the masters.

While Evolution and Creationism can be fully compatible, in the context that Evolution is marketed, it must deny any sort of Divine guidance.

86 posted on 09/24/2005 4:03:31 PM PDT by Thumper1960 ("It is true that liberty is precious; so precious that it must be carefully rationed."-V.I.Lenin)
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To: JNL

I would argue something ... you can't win a presidential election w/o harnessing scientific techniques to determine certain demographic questions. Winning a presidential, thus, means the runner has the wherewithal to determine how to do that...

He doesn't have to sound like a scientist, or look like one, in order to be the one to say 'Eureka!'. But, of course, he quotes Isaiah ... and 'scientists' cringe...

Maybe that is a really, really good thing.


87 posted on 09/24/2005 4:04:00 PM PDT by gobucks (http://oncampus.richmond.edu/academics/classics/students/Ribeiro/Laocoon.htm)
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To: gobucks
And of course, that is how 'id'iots evolve! (Gotta have a fragment of a sense of humor here....)

Good grief!

LOL

88 posted on 09/24/2005 4:04:56 PM PDT by Thumper1960 ("It is true that liberty is precious; so precious that it must be carefully rationed."-V.I.Lenin)
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To: Thumper1960

"Darwinism", as popularly marketed is a godless theory used by the anti-religious left and their fellow travelers to deny any notion of a "Creator".

I think you have problem with the charlatans, and not with the TOE.

It is used to center Man as the epitome of nature.

I thought this is what the creationists did.

With Man as the ultimate arbiter of what is and will be, Man becomes infallible. The stronger and the further evolved are the masters.

You are talking about the Nazi theory, not about the TOE.

While Evolution and Creationism can be fully compatible, in the context that Evolution is marketed, it must deny any sort of Divine guidance.

So it's a marketing problem. This is a problem that can be solved.

89 posted on 09/24/2005 4:10:49 PM PDT by ml1954
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To: gobucks
but I have another reason to like G.W. Bush - he doesn't just change things for the better here ... he has positive impact everywhere

Yep. This has demonstrated that there's no need to spend millions and billions doing time consuming and tedious research to settle scientific issues. They can be settled by politics and propaganda! Gee, I guess the Nazis and Stalin had the right idea all along. When will the textbooks with the Nazi theories of the hollow earth (hohlweltlehre) and the "Cosmic Ice Theory" (Welteislehre or "WEL") be coming out?

90 posted on 09/24/2005 4:16:07 PM PDT by Stultis
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To: ml1954
The Theory is what it is. A theory presented as fact. It is also exactly what the promoters say it is, not what reality would have it be.

Man is not, and has never been, the center of the universe. For the religious, it is G_d which is center and it is man whom G_d is served by.

Maybe rabid Evolutionists are ideological brothers with Hitler. I can't say, for certain.

91 posted on 09/24/2005 4:19:35 PM PDT by Thumper1960 ("It is true that liberty is precious; so precious that it must be carefully rationed."-V.I.Lenin)
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To: tamalejoe
Darwinism is the theory which says that the Ferrari engine just sort of happened.

Actually wouldn't it be creationism (or spontaneous generation) that says it "just happened," that is to say not by a natural or creaturely mechanisms, themselves mediated by more fundamental and general natural laws (like newly evolved species or manufactured engines) but by divine miracle or divinely ordained and spontaneous fiat of nature?

92 posted on 09/24/2005 4:23:24 PM PDT by Stultis
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To: Thumper1960

Maybe rabid Evolutionists are ideological brothers with Hitler. I can't say, for certain.

At least now I know where you stand. You're qualification is ludicrous and disingenuous.

93 posted on 09/24/2005 4:25:13 PM PDT by ml1954
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To: Thumper1960
It is used to center Man as the epitome of nature. The zenith of evolution.

I can't believe you actually wrote this. It deserve its own wing in the museum of regrettable posts.

94 posted on 09/24/2005 4:27:12 PM PDT by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: Stultis

Gee. Bush and Nazis in a single post. Now, where I have seen that tactic before?

Oh, I forget. We're FreeRepublic, not Democratic Underground. Gotta keep reminding myself of that.


95 posted on 09/24/2005 4:28:35 PM PDT by gobucks (http://oncampus.richmond.edu/academics/classics/students/Ribeiro/Laocoon.htm)
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To: ml1954; Thumper1960

That's 'your', not 'you're'. I gotta stop relying on spell checkers.


96 posted on 09/24/2005 4:32:10 PM PDT by ml1954
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To: Thumper1960
"Darwinism", as popularly marketed, is a godless theory used by the anti-religious left and their fellow travelers to deny any notion of a "Creator".

"Darwinism" is a tool of the anti-religious left, eh?

Can you then explain why the left clung to non-Darwinian, principally Lamarkian, versions of evolution for most of the last hundred and fifty years (and many still do so)?

If Darwinism was so suitable for atheistic leftists, then why, for instance, would Stalin send Darwinian/Mendelian geneticists to the gulags and allow a neo-Larmakian kook like Lysenko to run (and ruin) soviet science and agriculture for decades?

97 posted on 09/24/2005 4:33:20 PM PDT by Stultis
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To: Thumper1960
" Man is not, and has never been, the center of the universe."

That's exactly what the theory of evolution says. Creationism says the universe was made for Man's sake.

"Maybe rabid Evolutionists are ideological brothers with Hitler. I can't say, for certain."

Hitler was a creationist. He wanted to keep the Aryan race *pure* because it was the highest creation of God. He thought he was doing God's work.
98 posted on 09/24/2005 4:33:58 PM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: gobucks

Gee. Bush and Nazis in a single post. Now, where I have seen that tactic before?

How is this different from the 'Evolutionists' and 'Nazis' in a single post tactic?

99 posted on 09/24/2005 4:34:03 PM PDT by ml1954
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To: ml1954
It was you who introduced NAZIism.

I was thinking more along the lines of Communism.

Your offense is your problem.

100 posted on 09/24/2005 4:34:26 PM PDT by Thumper1960 ("It is true that liberty is precious; so precious that it must be carefully rationed."-V.I.Lenin)
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