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Even with head start, Houston had a problem
Waterbury Republican-American ^ | September 24, 2005 | Erin McClam (A.P.)

Posted on 09/24/2005 1:13:44 PM PDT by Graybeard58

Texas officials sketched a staggered, orderly evacuation plan for Hurricane Rita and urged people to get out days ahead of time.

But tangles still arrived even before the storm's first bands. Panicked drivers ran out of gas, a spectacular, deadly bus fire clogged traffic, and freeways were red rivers of taillights that stretched to the horizon.

In an age of terrorist danger and with memories of the nightmare in New Orleans still fresh, the Texas exodus raises a troubling question: Can any American city empty itself safely and quickly?

Thousands of drivers remained stranded Friday to the north and west of Houston. Many were stuck in extreme heat, out of gas -- as gas trucks, rumored to be on the way, or at least buses to evacuate motorists, never came.

They were frustrated, angry and growing desperate, scattered and stranded across a broad swath of the state as the monster storm bore down.

Houston is a landlocked city, an hour's drive from the Gulf of Mexico. Besides Houston's 4 million people fleeing, as many as 2 million were trying to get out through Houston from the coastal side.

In Galveston County along the Gulf, authorities set up three evacuation zones, beginning Wednesday evening and staggered at eight-hour intervals, with the most outlying areas to be the first to leave. But people in all three zones left early anyway, further snarling traffic.

From Houston, the main roads out of town -- Interstate 10 to San Antonio, I-45 to Dallas, and U.S. Highway 290 to Austin -- were turned into one-way thoroughfares only Thursday, and even then the one-way flow began well outside Houston.

"There were some weaknesses," Texas Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee, a Democrat, acknowledged to KTRK-TV on Friday. "We could have fixed some of the elements ... a fuel truck that works, a mechanical system that works, and opening the contraflow," the term emergency officials use for routing all lanes in one direction.

Later in the day, Jackson Lee told The Associated Press the state should have asked the Federal Emergency Management Agency for supplies. "I'm marching people all over looking for gasoline," she said.

Republican Texas Gov. Rick Perry said Friday decision to order one-way flow came after the storm, originally on a track south of Houston, changed course and headed toward Houston instead.

"It's not perfect," he said. "I wish I could wave a magic wand and somehow transport people magically from Houston, Texas, to Dallas or other points, but that's not the fact when you have the type of congestion that you see in the state of Texas on a daily basis."

He added: "I think when you look behind later, it will be almost miraculous that this many people were moved out of harm's way."

State emergency management coordinator Jack Colley said 2.5 million to 2.7 million Texans had already been moved out of harm's way, and the governor said 25 buses would canvass Beaumont, looking for people still trying to get out.

By midday Friday, lanes were restored to normal traffic. Still, many remained stranded beyond Houston's suburbs.

Before the late 1990s, emergency management officials were in charge of evacuations, and transportation engineers had little interest.

But those engineers have devoted great energy to the problem since Hurricane Georges forced an evacuation of New Orleans in 1998, and Hurricane Floyd an evacuation of the Carolinas in 1999.

Rita and her hellish predecessor, Katrina, come in the new age of terror, as authorities try to draw up plans for clearing out cities in the event of deadly strikes with unconventional weapons.

Still, experts say the massive coastal zone that needs to be cleared of people before a major hurricane is far larger than the area to be evacuated after an industrial accident or a terror attack.

In the event of a nuclear accident, federal rules require the evacuation of a 10-mile radius around the plant. After a so-called "dirty bomb" nuclear detonation or the release of chemical or biological weapons, only the region immediately downwind of the release point would have to be cleared.

"Natural disasters just dwarf anything that's manmade," said Reuben B. Goldblatt, a partner at traffic engineering firm KLD Associates in Commack, N.Y.

Brian Wolshon, a professor of civil engineering at Louisiana State University, said Texas officials "will probably see there were things they could have done better."

But he added: "It's not economically or environmentally feasible to build enough roads to evacuate a city the size of Houston in a short time and with no congestion. It's just not going to happen."

It was a point all too clear to Bruce French, who left his home in Clear Lake, Texas, early Thursday, and ran out of gas just past Conroe, far short of his destination of Dallas. On Friday morning, he was stranded, waiting for fuel.

"They're giving $10 worth of gas if you're on empty and $5 if you have some," he said. "That's not going to get you very far."

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EDITOR'S NOTE -- Associated Press writers Kristen Hays in Houston, Liz Austin in Austin and Suzanne Gamboa in Washington, National Writer Matt Crenson in New York and photographer Paul Sancya contributed to this story.


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To: IronMan04
I'm certain that a lot of people DID work together. And there was a relatively small percentage of people who hurt other people, stole water from women, raped children, looted private homes.

And your Mayor and Governor tried to point fingers at the feds instead of pointing fingers at what was the worst leadership, if you can call it that, I've ever seen in my life.

On the Sunday before the hurricane struck, I told my husband I'd never seen such inept leadership in all my life.

You are the second person to tell me that Nagin is the best mayor New Orleans has ever had. I'm willing to believe that. And it makes the situation in New Orleans all the more sad. Because he's the worst I've ever seen.
Ever.

And as far as their pointing their fingers at the feds -- FEMA was in New Orleans on Wednesday. I watched the press conference where they announced they had to withdraw because they were being shot at.

And still the Governor did NOT ask for federal troops to quell the situation. How many people waiting for help that was delayed because the Governor is an idiot? An incalculable number.
141 posted on 09/24/2005 4:17:54 PM PDT by Peach (South Carolina is praying for our Gulf coast citizens.)
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To: KingKongCobra

I'd better run too; Mr. Peach will be patient with my bad mood and eventually joke me out of it!


142 posted on 09/24/2005 4:18:43 PM PDT by Peach (South Carolina is praying for our Gulf coast citizens.)
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To: IronMan04

Galveston and the coastal areas. That was on the TV. That's probably Pasadena, Baytown, and other cities that are all part of the Houston/Galveston Metropolitan area. It's the third largest metropolitan area in the country. Only LA and New York are larger.


143 posted on 09/24/2005 4:23:09 PM PDT by luckystarmom
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To: IronMan04; JamminJAY; Graybeard58

144 posted on 09/24/2005 4:25:01 PM PDT by Lady Jag (Honor - Dignity - Courage - Troll Consumption)
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To: IronMan04
Over the lake? No way!

chicken! Are you an iron man or an iron mouse?

145 posted on 09/24/2005 4:29:37 PM PDT by meyer (The DNC prefers advancing the party at the expense of human lives.)
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To: luckystarmom

Chicago is bigger.


146 posted on 09/24/2005 4:35:43 PM PDT by IronMan04
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To: Lady Jag

Looks like the Democratic Mayors of Houston and Galveston were able to round up some school buses.


147 posted on 09/24/2005 4:37:03 PM PDT by IronMan04
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To: IronMan04

I don't think it is anymore.


148 posted on 09/24/2005 4:49:48 PM PDT by luckystarmom
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To: IronMan04
Democratic Mayors of Houston and Galveston were able to round up some school buses.

Not only that, IronMan04, Shep is on FOX live at the moment and was an hour or two ago before it got dark in downtown Beaumont, TX. Most business had lost their windows and some facades collapsed and there had been no looting! He walked in and out of stores and businesses, and valuable property sat out in open, untouched.

149 posted on 09/24/2005 5:14:36 PM PDT by Lady Jag (Honor - Dignity - Courage - Troll Consumption)
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To: IronMan04
So you had information that the people of New Orleans did not have before Katrina?

Yes, don't live below sea level when your surrounded by water on three sides.

Sarcasm aside, Katrina reinforced the fact that our judgement is just as good or better than any mayor, governor, senator, president, whoever, if we have the same information as they do.

In some cases my judgement, your judgement, the guy next door's judgement is going to be better than any government official's, for the simple fact that we don't have to look at the big picture - if we evacuate our family members prematurely and it turns out there is no threat, we aren't going to have to start worrying about our next election.

Too many people relied on the government from the city on up to the federal to protect them before and after Katrina, and look where they ended up.
150 posted on 09/24/2005 9:20:01 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: Paleo Conservative
Which highways did you use to evacuate from Corpus Christi. If I had needed to I was trying to choose between I-37 with three outbound lanes, US181 from CC to Karnes City then Texas 123 to San Marcos then I-35 to Austin, or FM136 from Gregory to Refugio, then Texas 183 all the way to Austin.

Avoid I-37 at all costs. Look at this area (Google Maps - you can left-click on the map and while holding down your left button, you can literally drag the map around) - you have several options - depending on where you're at in Corpus, you can head to Orange Grove, Alice, or even Kingsville, and then over to Freer and then north to the San Antonio area, or over to 35 and then to San Antonio, but I-35 can get very busy with just its normal traffic. There are smaller back roads if needed (you really need a good map/atlast), and you could even catch 281 north out of Alice, but it could be busy as well.

The nice thing about going west and then north, is your getting out of the main evacuation routes, and your options open up (not to mention your putting miles between you and the coast).

I wouldn't recommend taking any of the smaller roads to the east of Corpus because you have so many towns between Corpus and Houston that are within 50 miles of the coast that are going to evacuate that some choke points are going to happen, especially around Beeville where you face folks headed north or headed west to 37.

If you had to go towards Austin from Corpus, I would say avoid Kenedy and Cuero if possible, because they would probably be major evacuation points because of 77 and 181. I would almost say head for Yorktown using your best judgement at the time (based on the traffic your seeing) and then upto Smiley or Nixon and then upto Luling. Your going to hit traffic, but if you avoid the straightest line (which is what most people will take), you could actually make better time, and your chances of finding gas if needed would improve (hopefully you wouldn't need it and would have been driving with the A/C off if possible).

The main thing with the smaller roads, is that you can change routes a lot easier if needed, and your not screwed if a bunch of people 75 miles in front of you run out of gas or have a serious accident. Some of the estimates with I-45 were 100+ miles of gridlock (which is to be expected, considering I-45 was never meant to handle that much traffic at once).
151 posted on 09/24/2005 9:52:10 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: IronMan04

"Somewhere between 80% and 90% of New Orleans evacuated before Katrina hit. I call that a successful evacuation."

So do I.


152 posted on 09/25/2005 3:34:50 AM PDT by Mila
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To: Mila
"Somewhere between 80% and 90% of New Orleans evacuated before Katrina hit. I call that a successful evacuation."

IN hindsight, in both situations, people took it upon themselves to evacuate based on the forecast available. I'd be willing to bet that more than half the New Orleans population was out of town before the mayor even mentioned evacuation. Houston and Galvaston called for Evac sooner, and so people probably hadn't gotten such a head start on the government as they had in NOLA.

The real difference was that the cities in Texas made arrangements and strong efforts to get those unable to get out a means to evacuate - that was not present in NOLA and represents the major difference between the two.

IMHO, both situations show inadequate road infrastructure to be able to move such large populations and their personal effects out of a city in a timely fashion. We either need more roads, or lower population density.

153 posted on 09/25/2005 4:43:05 AM PDT by meyer (The DNC prefers advancing the party at the expense of human lives.)
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To: Graybeard58
From Houston, the main roads out of town -- Interstate 10 to San Antonio, I-45 to Dallas, and U.S. Highway 290 to Austin -- were turned into one-way thoroughfares only Thursday, and even then the one-way flow began well outside Houston.

290 WAS NOT turned into a one-way thoroughfare.

That plan was announced at 8am but 9 hours later they balked on the decision. They said that it was problematic (the traffic turn in Brenham) and that they wanted to keep the inbound to Houston side open for supplies (which from what I saw was nothing but buses, Houston STILL has a gas shortage nearly a week later).

And they left hundreds of buses in Cy Fair to send buses down from Austin.

The sheer longest part of the journey was just getting out of Houston. That took 12 hours.

Millions saw Mayor White fumble the ball.

154 posted on 09/26/2005 10:39:34 AM PDT by weegee (The lesson from New Orleans? Smart Growth kills. You can't evacuate dense populations easily.)
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To: Graybeard58

And Hempstead closed their town to the travellers (and horded what gas they had).

The sheriffs blocked the entrances to their small town.

That can't be legal.

Someone's job should be lost over that "emergency" act of isolationism.


155 posted on 09/26/2005 10:41:25 AM PDT by weegee (The lesson from New Orleans? Smart Growth kills. You can't evacuate dense populations easily.)
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To: IronMan04
It took people longer to get from Houston to Austin for the Rita evacuation that it look me to get from New Orleans to Austin.

2.5 million people evacuated Houston, and in record time, even though Houston was spared the full brunt of the hurricane. The bottomline is, the mayor of Houston issued the mandatory evacuation order at the right time, and the good people of Houston heeded the warning when it was issued.

Blanco and Nagin, given a second chance to redeem their stupidity, failed yet again, because they were purely driven by sheer emotion, while the public officials in Texas were calm, cool, and collected in the face of incoming danger.

156 posted on 09/26/2005 11:48:52 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper ("Don't Get Stuck On Stupid!" - Lieutenant General Russell "Ragin' Cajun" Honore)
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To: BigSkyFreeper
Why is it that my family, friends and I were able to get out of New Orleans without waiting for a Representative from the Nanny State to order a Mandatory Evacuation?

BTW-On Saturday morning before Katrina hit Mayor Nagin Pleaded for everyone to get out. He Said "This is the storm we have feared all of our lives. Do whatever you can do to get out NOW!
157 posted on 09/27/2005 3:34:12 PM PDT by IronMan04
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To: IronMan04
Why is it that my family, friends and I were able to get out of New Orleans without waiting for a Representative from the Nanny State to order a Mandatory Evacuation?

Right. I asked that question a month ago. I further went on to say that it's a sad state of affairs waiting for some schmuck mayor and dingbat governor to bark out orders when there's a ferocious Cat 5 hurricane ready to reak havoc from 600 miles away.

158 posted on 09/27/2005 8:46:33 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper ("Don't Get Stuck On Stupid!" - Lieutenant General Russell "Ragin' Cajun" Honore)
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To: IronMan04
BTW-On Saturday morning before Katrina hit Mayor Nagin Pleaded for everyone to get out. He Said "This is the storm we have feared all of our lives. Do whatever you can do to get out NOW!

Makes absolutely no sense to execute the evacuation order when the hurricane made landfall. One month ago today (8/27 - Saturday) was when Katrina made landfall. Texas officials gave everyone 72 hours advanced notice.

Michael Brown was right when he said today in front of the Senate Committee investigation that if anyone was slow to respond, it was the local officials. Brown got sh!tcanned because some doofus mayor and dingbat governor couldn't do their jobs right.

159 posted on 09/27/2005 9:04:02 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper ("Don't Get Stuck On Stupid!" - Lieutenant General Russell "Ragin' Cajun" Honore)
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To: BigSkyFreeper
Makes absolutely no sense to execute the evacuation order when the hurricane made landfall. One month ago today (8/27 - Saturday) was when Katrina made landfall. Texas officials gave everyone 72 hours advanced notice.

I am not sure how many hurricanes you have experienced in Montana by living all of my life in Texas and Lousiana I have been through quite a few with very infamous names.

Now, for your time line. Katrina made landfall on the morning of Monday, August 29th not August 27th as you stipulate.

Seventy-two hours advance notice would have been nice for the people of New Orleans but 72 hours prior to Katrina hitting the MGC and New Orleans the storm was a CAT 1 just entering the Gulf of Mexico.

Perhaps you should check your facts before posting.

160 posted on 09/27/2005 9:37:36 PM PDT by IronMan04
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