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Even with head start, Houston had a problem
Waterbury Republican-American ^ | September 24, 2005 | Erin McClam (A.P.)

Posted on 09/24/2005 1:13:44 PM PDT by Graybeard58

Texas officials sketched a staggered, orderly evacuation plan for Hurricane Rita and urged people to get out days ahead of time.

But tangles still arrived even before the storm's first bands. Panicked drivers ran out of gas, a spectacular, deadly bus fire clogged traffic, and freeways were red rivers of taillights that stretched to the horizon.

In an age of terrorist danger and with memories of the nightmare in New Orleans still fresh, the Texas exodus raises a troubling question: Can any American city empty itself safely and quickly?

Thousands of drivers remained stranded Friday to the north and west of Houston. Many were stuck in extreme heat, out of gas -- as gas trucks, rumored to be on the way, or at least buses to evacuate motorists, never came.

They were frustrated, angry and growing desperate, scattered and stranded across a broad swath of the state as the monster storm bore down.

Houston is a landlocked city, an hour's drive from the Gulf of Mexico. Besides Houston's 4 million people fleeing, as many as 2 million were trying to get out through Houston from the coastal side.

In Galveston County along the Gulf, authorities set up three evacuation zones, beginning Wednesday evening and staggered at eight-hour intervals, with the most outlying areas to be the first to leave. But people in all three zones left early anyway, further snarling traffic.

From Houston, the main roads out of town -- Interstate 10 to San Antonio, I-45 to Dallas, and U.S. Highway 290 to Austin -- were turned into one-way thoroughfares only Thursday, and even then the one-way flow began well outside Houston.

"There were some weaknesses," Texas Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee, a Democrat, acknowledged to KTRK-TV on Friday. "We could have fixed some of the elements ... a fuel truck that works, a mechanical system that works, and opening the contraflow," the term emergency officials use for routing all lanes in one direction.

Later in the day, Jackson Lee told The Associated Press the state should have asked the Federal Emergency Management Agency for supplies. "I'm marching people all over looking for gasoline," she said.

Republican Texas Gov. Rick Perry said Friday decision to order one-way flow came after the storm, originally on a track south of Houston, changed course and headed toward Houston instead.

"It's not perfect," he said. "I wish I could wave a magic wand and somehow transport people magically from Houston, Texas, to Dallas or other points, but that's not the fact when you have the type of congestion that you see in the state of Texas on a daily basis."

He added: "I think when you look behind later, it will be almost miraculous that this many people were moved out of harm's way."

State emergency management coordinator Jack Colley said 2.5 million to 2.7 million Texans had already been moved out of harm's way, and the governor said 25 buses would canvass Beaumont, looking for people still trying to get out.

By midday Friday, lanes were restored to normal traffic. Still, many remained stranded beyond Houston's suburbs.

Before the late 1990s, emergency management officials were in charge of evacuations, and transportation engineers had little interest.

But those engineers have devoted great energy to the problem since Hurricane Georges forced an evacuation of New Orleans in 1998, and Hurricane Floyd an evacuation of the Carolinas in 1999.

Rita and her hellish predecessor, Katrina, come in the new age of terror, as authorities try to draw up plans for clearing out cities in the event of deadly strikes with unconventional weapons.

Still, experts say the massive coastal zone that needs to be cleared of people before a major hurricane is far larger than the area to be evacuated after an industrial accident or a terror attack.

In the event of a nuclear accident, federal rules require the evacuation of a 10-mile radius around the plant. After a so-called "dirty bomb" nuclear detonation or the release of chemical or biological weapons, only the region immediately downwind of the release point would have to be cleared.

"Natural disasters just dwarf anything that's manmade," said Reuben B. Goldblatt, a partner at traffic engineering firm KLD Associates in Commack, N.Y.

Brian Wolshon, a professor of civil engineering at Louisiana State University, said Texas officials "will probably see there were things they could have done better."

But he added: "It's not economically or environmentally feasible to build enough roads to evacuate a city the size of Houston in a short time and with no congestion. It's just not going to happen."

It was a point all too clear to Bruce French, who left his home in Clear Lake, Texas, early Thursday, and ran out of gas just past Conroe, far short of his destination of Dallas. On Friday morning, he was stranded, waiting for fuel.

"They're giving $10 worth of gas if you're on empty and $5 if you have some," he said. "That's not going to get you very far."

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EDITOR'S NOTE -- Associated Press writers Kristen Hays in Houston, Liz Austin in Austin and Suzanne Gamboa in Washington, National Writer Matt Crenson in New York and photographer Paul Sancya contributed to this story.


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To: JamminJAY
The NOLA evacuation went very well for those that had a car or a friend with a car. However, many people with cars in New Orleans stayed.

That is why you see so many flooded cars in New Orleans.

And like you and other Responsible Americans I do not need the mayor, governor or president to tell me to leave town when a hurricane in on its way. The Nanny State is out of Control.
81 posted on 09/24/2005 3:02:48 PM PDT by IronMan04
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To: IronMan04
In NO proper and in the surrounding parish's there were "over" two thousand private, municipal, school district buses available. Even Blank Blanco managed to commandeer hundreds of LA school buses in less than a day, after she came out of shock long enough to grasp the unfolding SD & CC debacle.
82 posted on 09/24/2005 3:03:22 PM PDT by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: IronMan04
That equals about right........ Regardless of your assertion there are more than one road out of NO. But your one road at 1.3 million and Houston 4 million with 4 roads.....


Add to the above US 90 & 61, I-49 north out of Lafayette.

83 posted on 09/24/2005 3:03:33 PM PDT by deport
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To: IronMan04
I need to return my sister to her home in the Houston area soonest.

Can you suggest any local web-sites with current traffic info, specifically I-10 flow from Schulenburg or Columbus into Houston?

Much obliged.

84 posted on 09/24/2005 3:06:01 PM PDT by laotzu
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To: willyd
I need to return my sister to her home in the Houston area soonest.

Can you suggest any local web-sites with current traffic info, specifically I-10 flow from Schulenburg or Columbus into Houston?

Much obliged.

85 posted on 09/24/2005 3:07:51 PM PDT by laotzu
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To: deport
Okay, here it is again. To get out of the City of New Orleans or even the New Orleans area I-10 is the best and only safe route. BTW-HWY 90 was Closed via sand bags at the Jefferson-St. Charles Parish Line by Saturday afternoon.

Do you expect the people of New Orleans to teletransport themselves to Lafayette just before getting on I-49?

I-10 East to 59 Bottle Necks in Mississippi. Remember, the people of MS are evacuating too.

Over the lake? No way!

86 posted on 09/24/2005 3:12:10 PM PDT by IronMan04
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To: IronMan04
The TxDOT coordinated evacuation from Houston was a disaster complicated by Contraflow lanes being opened very late in the process and people who left far west and north Houston who could have stayed home and been safe.

And I read that in an interview, the mayor or governor stated that the late opening of the contraflow lanes was a needed correction. A politician admitting and accepting responsibilty. So quickly.

87 posted on 09/24/2005 3:12:45 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (I jez calls it az I see it.)
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To: laotzu

i just saw I-10 on the news and it is jam packed...i would suggest maps.google.com and look for alternate routes...maybe you can find something there....they are saying on the news for everyone to stay away for now but i don't think anyone is listening..probably the sooner you get on the road the better...make sure you have gas though...good luck...hope this helps.


88 posted on 09/24/2005 3:14:44 PM PDT by willyd (Good Fences Make Good Neighbors)
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To: Graybeard58
"There were some weaknesses," Texas Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee, a Democrat...

Put her at the top of that list...

89 posted on 09/24/2005 3:15:26 PM PDT by Libloather (Educating Murrymom - one post at a time...)
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To: IronMan04

As I said you all did great...... Maybe La can become the official model for evacuations in the future. I'm glad you made it and that you didn't have any problems....

Now you have a nice one...... I'm finished with this one, you can have the last word. The best to you.


90 posted on 09/24/2005 3:15:27 PM PDT by deport
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To: IronMan04
The New Orleans area has one road out of town

Okay, now you're reaching. They have I-10 going east, I-10 going northwest to Baton Rouge and I-55 going due north. Whether it is easier to move half a million when there are three major thoroughfares or four million when there are five major thoroughfares (I-10 east and west, I-45 north and US 59 northeast and southwest) and a few extra days is an open question. But there's no doubt to me that the Houston/Galveston area evacuation went better than the New Orleans one. Whether that's because of less government incompetence or more advanced notice or just the fact that Katrina happened first, can be debated forever. The upper Texas Gulf Coast got everybody out of dodge and, from my observations, did so with few snags given the monumental task involved. I give credit to any offical of any party who helped to make that run smoothly.

91 posted on 09/24/2005 3:16:25 PM PDT by Tall_Texan (Austin TX - and staying put.)
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To: IronMan04
Something went very wrong in the Houston Evacuation.

2.8 million people evacuated within a couple of days; the highways were NOT built to handle that kind of traffic. There isn't a highway in the country that can handle that.

92 posted on 09/24/2005 3:19:10 PM PDT by Peach (South Carolina is praying for our Gulf coast citizens.)
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To: Bob Mc
If cities were designed to be quickly emptied they would ill-serve other objectives. At a cafeteria you can indeed choose everything (within your budget).

When designing a car, a building, a city, whatever, you can't choose everything. Many of the choices are mutually exclusive or at least mutually mitigating.

93 posted on 09/24/2005 3:19:38 PM PDT by jimfree (Freep and Ye shall find.)
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To: Texasforever
Agreed, is anyone actually willing to pay for an infrastructure that will allow a 2 million plus city to empty smoothly in, say, 12 hours? The Democrats and some Republicans would commit the funds for the project but would end up spending it on multicultural math courses or some such.
94 posted on 09/24/2005 3:19:47 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: IronMan04
That leaves I-10 West as the only viable route out of town.

While that was the main route out, there were shots of bumper-to-bumper traffic on the causeway, and I-10E was also utilized.

95 posted on 09/24/2005 3:20:59 PM PDT by sinkspur (Just west of DFW Airport. We can take in four or five and two dogs.)
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To: laotzu

Go to this
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1490587/posts


96 posted on 09/24/2005 3:22:49 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (I jez calls it az I see it.)
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To: IronMan04

It took one person you heard of 15 hours from NO.
It took one person you heard of 20 hours from Houston.

These are anecdotes which have nothing to do with actual averages. I know many people who got to Austin, Dall, San Antonio, Fort Worth, etc. in reasonable times. Anecdotes are meaningless garbage.

So, Mr. Stuck on Stupid, stick it in your ear and break it off.


97 posted on 09/24/2005 3:26:25 PM PDT by KingKongCobra
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To: No Truce With Kings

Words to live by.


98 posted on 09/24/2005 3:28:44 PM PDT by TheMom (My husband and children rock! I am like a rock . . . round and thick.)
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To: sinkspur
Again, the Causeway is a Deathtrap during a hurricane and I-10 East goes straight to Mississippi would slow the Evacuation from the MS Gulf Coast.
99 posted on 09/24/2005 3:28:50 PM PDT by IronMan04
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To: KingKongCobra
I was one of the people that had the sense to get out of New Orleans prior to Katrina and know how long it took me and all my friends and relatives.
100 posted on 09/24/2005 3:30:32 PM PDT by IronMan04
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