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To: lonster
"peace comes from strength, not from appeasement"

Actually, peace can come from appeasement as much as from strength when appeasement is offered in the face of strength. Of course it's usually only a temporary peace.

And it depends on how you define peace as does the question "how does peace happen??? "


If peace is the absence of active violence, then peace can happen as a result of strength and appeasement. But both strength and appeasement imply violence held in reserve for use when necessary, so that may not be true peace.

I heard it said (in a movie of all places, but I liked it) that peace is not the absence of violence, but the presence of justice. And it's been said justice is every one having his own right.

So, if peace is the presence of justice, then maybe peace happens through personal enlightenment and self discipline. When we become knowledgeable of our own rights, the rights of others and the limits of those rights, and at the same time become self-disciplined enough to not transgress those rights even though we might want to, then perhaps we'll have peace.

Maybe.

And if that's peace, I wouldn't look for peace to happen anytime soon.
24 posted on 09/24/2005 8:28:29 PM PDT by KrisKrinkle
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To: KrisKrinkle

Actually, peace can come from appeasement as much as from strength when appeasement is offered in the face of strength. Of course it's usually only a temporary peace.

And it depends on how you define peace as does the question "how does peace happen??? "


If peace is the absence of active violence, then peace can happen as a result of strength and appeasement. But both strength and appeasement imply violence held in reserve for use when necessary, so that may not be true peace.

I heard it said (in a movie of all places, but I liked it) that peace is not the absence of violence, but the presence of justice. And it's been said justice is every one having his own right.

So, if peace is the presence of justice, then maybe peace happens through personal enlightenment and self discipline. When we become knowledgeable of our own rights, the rights of others and the limits of those rights, and at the same time become self-disciplined enough to not transgress those rights even though we might want to, then perhaps we'll have peace.

Maybe.

And if that's peace, I wouldn't look for peace to happen anytime soon.

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when the worst dictators in the world use the u.n. as a forum to blather about the u.s. how can there ever be justice?? peace is a big bicep and loaded gun. that is what it always has been, and what it always will be.


25 posted on 09/24/2005 8:37:11 PM PDT by lonster
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