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To: moog

The trouble with ID is that, even though many of the theories are equally untenable, they keep trying to twist the logic to make them usable.
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If you think that is only true in this particular field of study, you haven't been following the discussions/ arguments/ research in the realm of high energy physics and cosmology (quarks, gluons, WIMPs, "dark matter", superstrings, superstructure, chronons, etc...) during the past few decades. So many of those concepts and hypotheses have been incredibly counter to Occam's Razor, not to say anything about how poorly they fit data and observations - but they keep trying to twist them into further knots...

Even the sacred Hubble "constant" is now under honest attack from some quarters as a result - finally.


96 posted on 09/26/2005 7:45:00 AM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: AFPhys
"So many of those concepts and hypotheses have been incredibly counter to Occam's Razor"

Actually, Superstring Theory greatly simplifies the universe. Instead of there being all these fundamentally different things flying around interacting in very complex ways, everything is represented as manifestations of very simple things.

"not to say anything about how poorly they fit data and observations"

Some of the cosmology stuff (dark matter, et al) goes rather far off the observe/report path that makes science great, but what precisely is wrong with particle physics and String Theory, in terms of mismatching data?
156 posted on 09/26/2005 11:06:44 AM PDT by NJ_gent (Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.)
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To: AFPhys

AAARRRRGH!!!! I have got to put those tags in there so that people will stop referencing things I'm replying to. :)

Some of those "other" theories are fascinating. It will be interesting to see what comes out over the next few years.


162 posted on 09/26/2005 11:13:07 AM PDT by moog
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