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To: jcb8199

Who honestly believes that hasn't happened already?

So, spending more money, expanding government programs and increasing government police powers is the way to get people to "recognize the truth of the conservative message"? Are you serious?

Right. Bear in mind that Bush and a GOP Congress have given us the biggest, most expensive, most intrusive government in over 30 years. There was more spending and growth in Bush's first four years than in eight years under Clinton. When you allow government to step in and take over, the only result is that people expect more from government.


20 posted on 09/26/2005 11:30:13 AM PDT by sheltonmac (QUIS CUSTODIET IPSOS CUSTODES)
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To: sheltonmac
Between the amount paid by my four businesses, and my personal taxes, last year, I could have bought a used Citation. I now spend over $3000 a week for gasoline, alone... and I don't have a plane! I contribute to road taxes, real estate taxes, personal taxes, income taxes, and excise taxes. I pay taxes on taxes.

One of these days, I'm going to sell out, and buy an island,and start my own gubmnt. Then, I'll appoint an ambassador to the UN, and get some World Bank development money to build a resort... Hmmm, I may be onto something there! Hmmmmmmm......


24 posted on 09/26/2005 11:41:20 AM PDT by pageonetoo (You'll spot their posts soon enough!)
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To: sheltonmac

So, since it's happened, let's just lay down and die. Not fight. Not try to take it back. Good plan...

Hmmm, using immediate Fed response to relax or eliminate the programs that the Left has entrenched in the last 60 years is a bad idea... Having the Fed take a (temporarily) stronger role by, say, redefining who qualifies for welfare or gov't housing, something that, given its entrenched nature, WOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED with the Left or in any other circumstance, is bad... Again, it's myopic to assume that the fact that the Fed is spending ALOT *right now* means it will never stop, and that the powers it takes *right now* are in the long run detrimental. I see this as opening doors--sure, the Fed is taking power...AWAY from the Left and their socialist ideals.

Poor state response = Fed steps in and gets the states to be more proactive. In the end, the States win as we have better plans and don't NEED to rely on the Fed later on.

Welfare/public housing = we know that it is perpetuated by the Left and their socialist programs, but the VICTIMS don't know that. So now the Fed can retool the whole system to REMOVE the dependency. People can use public assisstance for what it was originally intended--to get a hand up. With Fed $$$ comes Fed rules, so the State can no longer give the $$$ to Leftist programs to waste--it must be spent how WE want it spent.

I could go on and on. NONE of it would happen, however, if not for a TEMPORARY increase in Federal power. The Left wants it, so let's give'em what they want--FOR NOW; let's use their ideals AGAINST them. They will LOSE in the end, however. We have to play the game, b/c, as the article pointed out, the only way people will GET a smaller gov't is if they WANT it. The only way they will WANT it is if we show them how well it works. The only way we can show them how well it works is by DEFEATING the oppostion--namely, the Big Gov't and socialist programs side. The only way we can DEFEAT them is to PLAY THEIR GAME.


26 posted on 09/26/2005 11:45:13 AM PDT by jcb8199
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