Posted on 09/26/2005 10:31:48 PM PDT by Bonaparte
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2) are unrepentent sinners,
then the "Christians" you observed were actually cafeteria Christians, ie. liberal, New Age, Liberated Theology "Christians."
Jesus rejects persistently unrepentent sinners and makes it clear that they will not enter the kingdom. His chosen apostle Paul instructs Christians to do exactly the same as Jesus.
If you go to the OCS website, you will find that they are definitely not the same as the "Christians" (in name only) who give unrepentent sinners a pass.
In these days of "gender re-identification surgery," hormone treatment and breast augmentation, you may have never lost to a girl. Have you considered that?
Based on your relentless assault on the morals and values of this Christian school administration, with only limited information available to the rest of us, it appears you really do believe you have these powers.
"Well... yes actually minored in it (moral theology). How bout you?"
I don't claim expertise in anything I minored in, that's just vanity. If I were a moral theologian however, I'd need to know far more than what a news article says about how and why this child was dismissed before I'd cast aspersions on this Christian school administration.
Methinks you have a deeper interest in defending this homosexual 'family' than you let on.
"It is apparent that you did not read my posts, so I will take out my hand puppets and explain it again. I am all for the following of the moral agreement that the student signed..."
There is no such thing as a 'morally bound' contract, either it's legally binding or it's not.
In any case, as has been well established, (but seems to have escaped the radar of your hand puppets' little brain), this Christian school assumes both the student and the student's parents into their school, (because parents are very much involved in the school's programs and overall moral identity). This being the case, even your puppet-sized cerebral cortex should understand that unless one of the three parties has been designated with the authority to sign for all three, no one person of the three parties involved can sign a binding contract for all three family members; moral, legal, or otherwise.
All three parties must honor the enrollment contract and abide by the school's moral codes and standards. If either the girl or her lesbian 'mothers' dishonor the school's contract or codes of conduct then the school has the obligation to their other students and families to enforce their moral standards.
"Non believers send their kids to religious schools all the time because of the education and the Christian environment."
"Non-believer" is far too generic a term to use in this debate, it's an intentionally obscure term. It means anything from Communists to Hindus, from Buddhists to Jews, from atheists to opposing Christian denominations.
(If you can prove how many people from this list attend Christian Schools then go for it, but please, no more straw men standing out in the fog).
"They foolishly believe that students will bennefit from a religious environment...."
If they end up feeling like fools because they've sent their children to a Christian School, they are free to leave at any time for a public school, or any other school of their liking.
"However I am not the one that seems to be doubting the power of the Holy Spirit to work here."
It's a Christian school with an educational charter, not an Evangelical Mission or Christian Outreach Center. Their primary job is not to reach out and convert non-Christians, but to educate the children of already practicing Christians. This is their primary function.
For some hidden reason you'd like people to believe this school is supposed to reach out with the Holy Spirit to every child whose parents are opposed to Christian teachings, this is just not the case. It's neither a Mission or a Church, it's a SCHOOL.
"I have been saying ... did the school give her the chance or did they base the decision souly on the behavior of the mother? If so I think that was bad judgement."
Did the school give her the chance to what, sit in class and hear everyday that her lesbian 'mothers' are living in grave sin, they aren't a real family in God's eyes. It's OBVIOUSLY an inappropriate place for died-in-the-wool lesbians to send their child to for an education. The lesbians are too callous to comprehend this, but the school wasn't, thank God.
"They sent their older daughter to the same school for years and didnt file a lawsuit."
Your making stuff up again. The article clearly says they claimed to have sent another daughter to other Christian schools.
"I would say her deeper dilema is living with a mother that will be losing her soul than anything. My question to you is what is better for the daughter? To be around Christian Friends and families that model compassion, mercy , love and grace. Or to be kicked out and made a spectical of due to her mothers sin?
My answer is that it would be better if the "mothers" had not used their daughter as a pawn in the first place. They placed the school in an impossible situation by hiding their true identity from the start. They endangered their daughter by doing this as well.
And if they did not intend her to be pawn THEN STOP USING HER AS ONE and quietly put the girl into another school.
The greater lesson here is to let the lesbians, the girl and the world understand that there are massive consequences for living this lifestyle, and greater repercussions yet for raising an innocent child into this abominable 'lifestlye'.
The homosexual 'parents' must understand that they can't change the world to suit their selfish little desires, but they must either conform themselves to the world or at least don't be selfish and cruel enough to bring an innocent child into the mess.
"If you say there are rules and they must be followed you have missed the entire concept of why Christ came. ESPECIALLY coming from a school with the idea of teaching Christian standards."
Simply not true. According to Scripture Jesus Christ broke nearly every rule the Jews had lived under prior to His Incarnation. This is precisely why they hated Jesus. He performed miracles on the Sabbath, He associated with 'sinners', He ate and drank wine while others fasted, He taught His own Commandments, He preached His own doctrine, He called the Pharisees 'sons of the devil', He founded His own Church.
"I will remind all of us here..... " The measure you use to measure out grace to others it will be used to measured to you."
I hope you remember this the next time you castigate the Christian school administrators for doing what they believe is morally right and responsible. Also remember you own words before you judge anybody based on a small article in the media.
FYI, Lesbian Parents are suing a Catholic School in Eugene, Oregon for refusing their 'daughter' entry. I believe this all a well planned attack. ~ EUGENE, Oregon, August 5, 2004 (LifeSiteNews.com) -
What would Jesus do?
Well, the point I'm making is that being a Christian (calling yourself a Christian) does not preclude anyone from associating with gay people. In free, rational, developed societies people pretty much get to believe what they want without the fear of retribution.
The Christians at OCS have chosen a belief system that takes a dim view of gay people (for reasons aside from supernatural softball skills). And that's their choice. In many, many countries they wouldn't have that choice.
Also, whether their dislike of gay people is based solely on their Christian beliefs is difficult to say. For those who holds their beliefs as a central part of their lives, belief and emotional stuff is tangled up together in one ball. However, I suspect that even if they were not Christians, they still wouldn't be keen on the whole gay thing.
I agree. However, this is not the situation in the OCS controversy. Here, we have two "parents" who have professed in writing that they are practicing Christians who subscribe to the OCS Statement Of Faith and yet are proud and defiant unrepentent sinners.
If these two were not self-proclaimed Christians, we wouldn't be discussing this problem because their "daughter" would not have attended that school at all.
Holy crap! We agree?
Okay, that's disturbing.
I think I've posted this a couple times already, but I'll post it again with careful emphasis...
-- 1 Corinthians 5:9-11
To get their "daughter" into that school, they proclaimed themselves adherent to that Christian school's Article of Faith. In the process, they lied to accomplish this. In addition, they proudly persist in their sin while their "daughter" takes their part over God's.
Do you see why the school has no choice but to dissolve their association with this family?
But what is the reality? As stated in the article, long before the eruption of this controversy, she had admittedly told several of her friends about her lesbian "parents."
Those other children remained silent about this violation of the family's contract with the school. Otherwise, Shay Clark would have been expelled long before last Thursday. So the reality is that these other children were drawn into the deception, concealing guilty knowledge that unrepentent sinners who were perpetrating a fraud on the school and mocking God were pulling it off. By this means, these children were placed in the fearful position of having to choose between "betraying" their friend or deceiving their own parents and school.
Assuming they haven't already done so, that school must now ask those "friends" to come forward and reveal themselves. And they will either do so, suffering fear and humiliation, or they will continue to hide, suffering from the festering poison of bad conscience, which separates them from God.
This is what little Miss Credit-To-Her-School has brought upon these other kids.
And now this same girl, who did this to her "friends" at that school, is stridently endorsing her "parents'" sinful "lifestyle," proclaiming that the school "should be ashamed of themselves."
Are we really talking about an innocent little girl here? Is she really the "good student" and "credit to her school" that one of our posters has called her?
Just what did she say to that crowd and why is not being reported by the media?
Isn't it odd, reading that a school cheerleader was scolded for speaking to a crowd at a sporting event but seeing nothing reported about the content of her speech that day?
Inquiring minds...
People get to associate with whom they please and believe what they please. This is a right that I never question.
On the other hand, I'm old enough to have gay friends whose early lives makes this couple's look like a trip to Disneyland. One friend had a father who literally tried to "beat" him into being straight. These beatings, which were fairly regular, began at age 13 and didn't end until he left home at 17. Others were tossed out pretty early or told not to return home after college.
In light of this kind of stuff, I'd say getting booted out of a private school is pretty lightweight.
Or do you agree with me that attributing this action to simple distaste is pure speculation, unsupported by the facts we now have in hand?
"Had we known they were against homosexuality, we would never have sought this school out," Gray said.
Ontario Christian is affiliated with the Christian Reformed Church, a denomination that considers homosexuality a "condition of disordered sexuality," according to the Web site of the Christian Reformed Church of North America.
Looks pretty cut and dried to me.
Find a school more in line with your 'lifestyle'.
Because he was trying to change their sinful ways.
He came for me! And you, and you, and you....
Truthfully, I think the administrators' actions arose from the outcry of parents.
One "real" Christian?
Ah, I see you've return to "telling others how to be what you're not, while refusing to be held accountable for anything you say."
You're not a "Bible guy" but presume to judge who is a "real" Christian and who is not --
The truth is that you, who call these Christian believers hypocrites, know nothing about Christianity and are in no position to judge anybody's fitness as a Christian. In fact, the garbage you have just spewed about Christians on this thread shows you know nothing about truth either.
Here are the only facts we have from the article concerning how this student came to be expelled...
The next day, both women were called in and asked point-blank if they were gay, Clark said. When they said they were, Shay was expelled."
What I am asking you is on what factual basis do you conclude that there was an uproar from parents that led to this expulsion?
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