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To: Grand Old Partisan
"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the states wherein they reside." -- 14th Amendment of the U.C. Constitution, 1868

Clearly you do not understand the distinction between being "subject to the jurisdiction" and being within the jurisdiction.

46 posted on 09/29/2005 9:21:30 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are REALLY stupid.)
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To: Carry_Okie
"The only thing that this kind of change gets you ... is stateless people, which doesn't solve any problem," said Cecilia Munoz, vice president for policy at the National Council of La Raza, a Hispanic civil rights organization.

It is not the obligation of the United States to pass laws to accomodate the convenience of illegal immigrants. This problem could be easily addressed by Mexico granting citizenship to children born abroad of Mexican parents. They seem to have no problem issuing them Consular cards.

57 posted on 09/29/2005 9:50:57 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (crime would drop like a sprung trapdoor if we brought back good old-fashioned hangings)
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To: Carry_Okie

Clearly you disagree with everybody else in the United States, including the Congressman who wrote the 14th Amendment and the Supreme Court which decided on this question long ago. The "jurisdiction" clause was included to exclude American Indians who were not subject to the control of the federal government. They were not all made citizens until 1917.


62 posted on 09/29/2005 10:14:00 AM PDT by Grand Old Partisan
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