Posted on 09/29/2005 9:43:24 AM PDT by topher
Thanks. I misread your post.
Thinking the same thing....Either he is one pathetic SOB or a truly loving husband who kept his promise....I have my thoughts on the matter....but weird none the less...
Sources?
There were hundreds of articles written that revealed the lack of proper diagnosis from Michael Schiavo's "medical experts" and the refusal of Judge Greer to admit evidence or avadavits from doctors that refuted the claim of PVS. Dr Ron Cranford referred to the opposing doctors as "bogus claims". Huh? Some real medical refutation there.
Here are just a few of the excellent sources.....
http://nationalreview.com/comment/johansen200503160848.asp
http://newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/6/19/204324.shtml
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=43447
"Tell me...how could they have given her an MRI with the electrodes in her head? Why do a PET scan when repeated CT scans showed the damage to her cerebral cortex?"
Her thalmic implants could have been removed in order to do a complete MRI which is really the only way to conclusively show PVS. In fact Terri's doctor who placed them there instructed Michael that they could have been removed. Repeated CT scans? Try only one initial CT scan. And no PET scans were permitted by Michael Schiavo.
Why are you defending this scumbag Michael Schiavo or the pro-death alliance of Felos, Greer, Cranford, and the euthanasia movement? The autopsy ruled out bulemia as the cause of her heart stoppage, and in all likelihood Michael Schiavo himself was responsible for her suffocation or strangulation. But there was never a medical exam undertaken at the time to investigate this and the police just simply accepted Michael's claim of bulemia induced suffocation. And now 15 years later, Michael and his pro-death consortium was allowed to finish the job.
Why you are defending this, is beyond me.
"Try reading the marker from a different perspective. Look at it from the point of a loving husband who went through a long ordeal and was finally able to see his wife to peace after many years. Unless you can see it that way, then of course it looks mean-spirited. But in that light, it's perfectly understandable...he wanted to commemorate the years he gave for her."
You know, you're actually quite delusional! Loving husband? The moment he won the medical lawsuit for $1.5M supposedly on Terri's behalf, he refused to pay for any further medical therapy or rehab for Terri. Instead Medicare paid for her room and negligible care permitted by Michael. He gave explicit instructions to withhold treatment for dental care, bed sores and infections. He ordered the lights to remain low and kept the room shaded from sunlight. Nurses provided affadavits in which Michael cursed Terri and would demand "Is that B!t@h dead yet?". Also he may have injected her with insulin when he was alone in her room. He had one mistress shortly after Terri's "collapse" - she stopped seeing him because of his violent temper. Then he took up with his current live-in mistress Jodi Centonze for the past ten years or so and had two children with her. Is this how your wife would define a "loving husband" in a perverted, abusive, unfaithful way?
He's such a pig.
But he did not tell her parents or her brother and sister where he had buried her... So I guess he thought he could write whatever he wanted to...
The parents found out the location because of the publicity. Otherwise, they would not had a clue where this tombstone was...
allllllllllllllllrighty... then what was this big brouhaha for the next 15 years about her "right to die"? If she was already dead, Jim?
Doesn't matter what the perspective. I don't care what he endured from her family, I don't care what he was accused of. We will never know if the allegations the parents made were true or not. Makes no difference. Having said "at peace" in 2005 was even fine. But, to say "I kept MY promise" made it completely about him, not Teri.
I may not even go so far as to say it is mean spirited, but rather completely self-involved. He is clearly obsessed with looking like the good guy. For you to say that he wanted to commemorate the years HE gave for HER, imo reinforces the notion that the whole ordeal was about him and not Teri at all.
I am trying to post on the side of the Schindlers and Terri, though I may be a bit sarcastic at times...
Father Frank's statement today was meant to help the disabled, as well as the unborn, and those who may be in danger of forced Euthanasia.
There is a German Cardinal who is going to be beatified later this month that spoke out strongly against the Nazis in 1941 for their Euthanasia efforts against the handicapped.
Also, the US Supreme Court is taking up a case about the disabled this coming term, so Judge Roberts now being Chief Justice Roberts is also appropriate.
I think you are on the side of life (pro-life), sorry if my posts are confusing -- I have had to focus on work most of the day.
Positively evil.
Yes, my rhetorical question is for the death minions. As if they could be ashamed of not making any sense.
If I met Mr. Schiavo, I would probably dislike him intensely. However, I can understand that after being accused of heinous crimes, with so many false claims floating around, a person might feel justified in speaking back. After all, so many people have disrespected the marriage he was in (a post hoc argument about his later girlfriend is irrelevant to decisions made before that).
If ever were in the state Mrs. Schiavo was in, then I would hope my family and friends could move on and not make things hell for my spouse. I would hope that my spouse would move on, and not let others waste a decade of her life. I would hope that after sticking by me and helping me find peace, she would feel rightly proud of having helped me to escape to be at peace.
Do I think it lacked class? Yes. Do I think it was totally self-involved? Not necessarily.
Some things are worse than death.
What scares me is the Culture of DisrespectTM that's also trying to push its way in. Many of the people who fought against Mrs. Schiavo's right to die clearly stated that they didn't care if it were in black and white, they'd want her wishes ignored. :-(
Whatever happened to the Culture of Rights that the Founding Fathers promoted? >sigh<
(Which reminds me, I need to download the pic from one of the posts...)
From a historical perspective, the Jews were not the first victims of the Nazi Super Race concept.
The first gas chambers in Nazi Germany were set up in hospitals for the Useless Eaters -- those who could not contribute to society.
The Nazis did away with these disabled people before they started doing away with the Jews.
These same gas chambers were later moved to Concentration Camps. The reason was not necessarily for efficiency reasons, but rather because the German soldiers were mostly family men.
They had trouble with the firing squads killing the Jews.
So they needed the gas chambers that were killing the disabled in the 1930s for killing Jews in the 1940s.
Now, with the historical precedent set, a disabled person is, by what Michael Schiavo has written, no longer a person, if they have Departed from this Earth
I don't think that Scotty from Star Trek beams up a disabled person for Dr. McCoy to heal.
I really don't think that's what Michael meant. To me, this phrase means her life ended (as well as her thoughts), with the accident. I am using the term that she is subhuman for what Michael is referring to as her departed this earth in 1990.
Other posters feel Terri was dead. However, she still had a heartbeat and brain activity. She had diminished brain activity.
She is not like Ted Kennedy's sister, whose father had her lobotomized (yes, Joseph P. Kennedy, Sr., had his daughter Rose Kennedy lobotomized because she had a disability).
A fellow by the name of John F. Kennedy was horrified by what his father had done (as well as John's mother Rose Kennedy -- and the mother of Rose Kennedy).
In fact, the Schindler's contend the autopsy of Terri reveals that she had considerable brain activity in the frontal lobes of her brain -- the exact place where Rose Kennedy was lobotomized many, many years ago.
But then Joe Kennedy, Sr., was one of the appeasers in Europe when Hitler marched into Austria, the Rhineland, and other places...
There is no place in writing that Terri Schiavo ever expressed this right to die. She did not die a natural death.
One of actor John Wayne's big break was a John Ford movie called Stagecoach. In the movie, one of the men save a bullet for a woman to kill her -- to keep from being attacked by the Indians.
But this particular movie makes a point. Just as the man is about to shoot the woman, he is distracted. Someone on the stagecoach says that they hear a noise... He delays some more and hesitates from firing... Finally, the sound is loud enough for the audience... The calvary has arrived in the nick of time -- in time to prevent the man from shooting the woman who is unaware that she is about to be shot (murdered in cold blood against her wishes)...
Another example, this one very recent and after the death of Terri Schiavo was that some woman with a disability of some sort (in England, I think), tried to starve and dehydrate herself. She abandoned it because of the pain it caused her... It was too unbearable and she could not she how anyone could die like that... Like Terri Schiavo died...
Are you saying there is a provision in the constitution for going around murdering people? Is there a provision in the constitution for torturing people to death?
What many people believe is laced with the arsenic that is supplied by TV and Hollywood. The founding fathers would not have said that other people have a right to take other people's lives. That is what you seem to be saying...
That Michael Schiavo did the right thing because he ended this useless eater's life...
Well, Gondring, your points are valid, I just don't happen to agree with them. Let's just agree to disagree. You obvioulsy have a good heart and want to give the benefit of the doubt. That's not a bad thing. :)
Moral Absolutes Ping.
Meant to ping this out earlier. Info on the thread for those who need it, with a picture of the memorial to Michael Schiavo's guilty conscience - his vain attempt to prove to the world and maybe to himself that he's not a cold blooded murderer. Some day he'll have to face all the harm he's done and pain he's caused. Justice is ultimately perfectly just. No one gets away with anything.
Freepmail me if you want on/off this pinglist.
You're still delusional! Read my post 64 again. The "Culture of Disrespect" (a rather benign way of putting it) was caused by Michael Schiavo's obsession to starve his wife to death. In all likelihood, he was responsible for her strangulation and suffocation and finally after 15 years was allowed to finish the job.
You logic and understanding of this tragedy is so flawed. Terri Schiavo's right to die? All we know is that 8 years after Terri's collapse, and after Michael Schiavo hired George Felos as his attorney in 1998, then all of a sudden Michael remembered that Terri had expressed her desire "right to die" death wish.... supposedly her offhand comment after watching Melrose Place show that "she would not want to live like that!" And that became her death wish! Yeah, right!
By the way, it's not called the "Culture of Rights" >sigh< It's actually called the Bill of Rights and Terri's rights under the Constitution, specifically the 9th and 14th amendment, were completely disregarded and cast aside in her case.
For some bizarre reason, you are obsessed with defending an adulterer and murderer, Michael Schiavo!
Michael Schiavo should have just had written, "HELL, YEAH."
I mean, it's as "sensitive" and "accurate" as what is there already.
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