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Teen With Camcorder Captures His Own Killing On Tape
http://www.wtov9.com/news/5039999/detail.html ^

Posted on 09/30/2005 4:55:13 AM PDT by lunarbicep

LA CROSSE, Wis. -- Friends and relatives have said their final goodbyes to Wisconsin high school senior Seth Hammes.

Hammes, 17, was out using his camcorder as he explored the woods near Little Falls, Wis., last Saturday when the camera ended up recording his own fatal shooting.

After searchers found his body that night, investigators ran the videotape, which had captured the crack of gunshots, the teen's screams and the voice of the shooter, promising help that never came.

Police said the camcorder was the key to catching the man now charged with reckless homicide, 24-year-old Russell Schroeder. He told police he thought he saw an animal when he fired the shots, and he didn't call for help after seeing Hammes because he feared he would get in trouble.

The funeral service for Hammes was held Thursday.

His uncle, Ed Hammes, described his nephew as a gentle giant, who stood over six feet tall and wore size 17 shoes. He said the teen liked to tinker with the family's lawn mowers and research fireworks, but mostly he was someone who would go out of his way to help another.

Schroeder was being held on $250,000 bond. If convicted, he faces up to 85 years in prison.


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: banglist; edhammes; littlefalls; russellschroeder; sethhammes; shooting; wisconsin
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1 posted on 09/30/2005 4:55:15 AM PDT by lunarbicep
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To: lunarbicep

Didn't call for help = guilty.

Send this guy away forever.


2 posted on 09/30/2005 4:57:45 AM PDT by Sometimes A River (Will the next President inherit George W. Bush's hurricane making machine?)
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To: lunarbicep

How does a big like like this get confused for an animal? Prayers up for this family.....


3 posted on 09/30/2005 4:58:31 AM PDT by Kimmers
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To: lunarbicep

THOUGHT he saw an animal? Idiot with a gun.


4 posted on 09/30/2005 4:58:52 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn (Legality does not dictate morality... Lavin)
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To: lunarbicep
Orange is your friend in the woods... prayers for the family!


5 posted on 09/30/2005 4:59:32 AM PDT by pageonetoo (You'll spot their posts soon enough!)
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To: lunarbicep

"he didn't call for help after seeing Hammes because he feared he would get in trouble"

Well, he sure as hell did...


6 posted on 09/30/2005 4:59:35 AM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse
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To: lunarbicep
He said the teen liked to tinker with the family's lawn mowers and research fireworks,

Shades of my own mis-spent youth. What a shame. How can one be so inhumane to leave another person to die just because one is afraid of getting in trouble?

7 posted on 09/30/2005 4:59:52 AM PDT by gridlock ((subliminal voice: Teddy Kennedy...))
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To: lunarbicep
The Blair Witch is alive and well...


8 posted on 09/30/2005 5:00:14 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum.)
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To: Acts 2:38

I wouldn't be able to send him away forever just based on the information here.


9 posted on 09/30/2005 5:00:53 AM PDT by Huck (Are there any fiscal conservatives left?)
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To: Kimmers

If you are a hunter you already know the answer to that question. There are people in the woods during hunting season who can't tell the difference between a deer and a pickup truck.


10 posted on 09/30/2005 5:01:20 AM PDT by saganite (The poster formerly known as Arkie 2)
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he didn't call for help after seeing Hammes because he feared he would get in trouble.

disgusting coward

11 posted on 09/30/2005 5:02:28 AM PDT by SunnyUsa (No man really becomes a fool until he stops asking questions.)
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To: lunarbicep
He told police he thought he saw an animal when he fired the shots


Throw the book at the idiot. Always know what your target is, and be aware of what the backstop could potentially be. Because of this idiot, a mamber of society was removed far before his time -sounds like manslaughter to me.
12 posted on 09/30/2005 5:03:33 AM PDT by Issaquahking (Islam is a religion of peace...POS! I learned all I need to know about Islam on 9/11/01)
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To: lunarbicep

He told police he thought he saw an animal when he fired the shots...

And what animal would that be? The only large game in Wisconsin is deer and it sure as hell isn't deer season.

13 posted on 09/30/2005 5:04:26 AM PDT by elli1
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To: saganite

We used to live in upstate NY and cows would get shot by the city folk.....bottom line if you wander the woods during hunting season wear orange


14 posted on 09/30/2005 5:08:45 AM PDT by Kimmers
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To: lunarbicep

This idiot should go to jail just being STUPID! Stupidity and guns don't mix and I fear there are way too many more like him out there. Safe hunting to all you responsible hunters.


15 posted on 09/30/2005 5:09:36 AM PDT by Dawgreg (Happiness is not having what you want, but wanting what you have.)
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To: lunarbicep

Prayers for this kid's family. They must be miserable right now.


16 posted on 09/30/2005 5:10:51 AM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: lunarbicep

The anti-2nd nuts love stories like this.


17 posted on 09/30/2005 5:18:25 AM PDT by z3n
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To: gridlock
How can one be so inhumane to leave another person to die just because one is afraid of getting in trouble?

Evidence of an individual who acted solely in his own self-interest. Seth's cries for help will haunt him for the rest of his life.

May God comfort and care for Seth's family...

18 posted on 09/30/2005 5:19:29 AM PDT by Aracelis
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To: lunarbicep

I'd say this article is a bit lacking in details.


19 posted on 09/30/2005 5:21:15 AM PDT by nuconvert (No More Axis of Evil by Christmas ! TLR) [there's a lot of bad people in the pistachio business])
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To: lunarbicep

I do not allow hunting on my property. I well understand why anyone would hunt and kill for survival, but I do not understand how anyone could derive pleasure from killing and subjecting animals to pain and terror.


20 posted on 09/30/2005 5:29:03 AM PDT by Savage Beast (Love is the ultimate aphrodisiac.)
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To: lunarbicep

Too bad a camcorder was not recording at Chappaquiddick when Teddy "did not call for help."


21 posted on 09/30/2005 5:31:40 AM PDT by ICE-FLYER (God bless and keep the United States of America)
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To: ICE-FLYER

Schroeder definitely has all the Democratic Senator qualities.


22 posted on 09/30/2005 5:37:10 AM PDT by azhenfud (He who always is looking up seldom finds others' lost change.)
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To: saganite
If you are a hunter you already know the answer to that question. There are people in the woods during hunting season who can't tell the difference between a deer and a pickup truck.

Which is why hunters should NEVER get the luggage rack option on their hunting vehicle. Looks just like whitetail antlers. I was rabbit hunting one time and crossed paths with some other hunters. About the time I am broad side of them about 50 yards away, they jump a rabbit and it ran right at me. I turned my back to them just in time to get sprayed with the buckshot. Didn't draw any blood fortunately. I just hustled on away from the moron for fear I would shoot back.

23 posted on 09/30/2005 5:38:24 AM PDT by IamConservative (Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most times will pick himself up and carry on.)
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To: elli1
He told police he thought he saw an animal when he fired the shots...

I agree with you....this guy is lying through his teeth. In this case, the police authorities may be smart enough to nail him. They were bright enough to have played the video tape.

24 posted on 09/30/2005 5:39:22 AM PDT by Banjoguy (I will rot in Hell before I buy another Dell!)
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To: lunarbicep
another story here

The tape shows a person Quirin said is Schroeder in a nearby field. Schroeder's voice can be heard, telling Hammes he'll call for help on his cell phone, the complaint said.

Then Schroeder says he can't find a signal and promises to get help. But according to the complaint, he instead went to a birthday party, home to play video games and then his job as a custodian at the Army's Fort McCoy near Sparta. ---

25 posted on 09/30/2005 5:40:31 AM PDT by lunarbicep (If your ship doesn't come in, swim out to it. –Jonathan Winters)
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To: IamConservative

Buckshot on a rabbit? Sounds like the idiot was out to kill something, anything. Including you if you got in the line of fire. You're a lucky hunter to have walked away unscathed.


26 posted on 09/30/2005 5:42:53 AM PDT by saganite (The poster formerly known as Arkie 2)
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To: Kimmers
I worked at a place that sold permits for hunting on nature preserve in New York State. We'd get people coming up from New York City with brand new guns with the K-Mart stickers still on them, and a picture book...pointing to the goat and saying, "Deer?"...."no," I'd say....then the cow./. "deer?" and I'd have to find a picture of a deer and tell them: "deer"... (I don't speak Spanish, so it was very difficult to communicate.)

Then, about an hour later, I'd see them back again, when they couldn't figure out how to operate the action on their shiny new gun. I probably shouldn't have shown them how to operate it, but I was young and I think that part of me was hoping they'd off a few of each other. ;-) I recall wondering how they ever got their licenses...we had to complete a course, written test, and shooting test.

I could hunt there myself, but believe me, I never would do so with these idjits out there.

27 posted on 09/30/2005 5:44:31 AM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: lunarbicep
He told police he thought he saw an animal when he fired the shots... worth 2 + years (say 6 months inside) and loss of right to bear arms forever unless there were extenuating circumstances - the victim was in cammo or something, then maybe less time., and he didn't call for help after seeing Hammes because he feared he would get in trouble..... 10 + years at least. Just my opinion.
28 posted on 09/30/2005 5:45:39 AM PDT by Northern Alliance
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To: Savage Beast

Have you ever seen a deer ripped half to death in winter because there was too little food for it to have the strength to escape, dragging what's left of it by its remaining front legs until the blood loss can kill it?

I don't understand how anyone could derive think that is less pain and terror than being shot. But then again, I think that few people other than those who are avid hunters have respect for wild animals these days.


29 posted on 09/30/2005 5:48:42 AM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: lunarbicep; All
I'm not sure 85 years behind bars is appropriate. Anyone remember the film "Surviving the Game"?
30 posted on 09/30/2005 5:51:05 AM PDT by newzjunkey (CA: Stop union theft for political agendas with YES on Prop 75!)
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To: elli1

It's black bear season,with the leaves still on the trees I can see it happening.


31 posted on 09/30/2005 5:54:31 AM PDT by Minnesoootan
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To: saganite
Buckshot on a rabbit?

Sorry, didn't mean to imply it was 0 or 00 buckshot. I would guess it was number 6 or 8 shot. 00 would have put me under at that range I suspect. As was, it just stung like the dickens. I may have sworn under my breath a little. They may have even heard the part about their maternal ancestry.

I had a brown duck game vest, Carhart overalls and an insulated Carhart jacket on. Yes, did have the requisite orange hat and had orange on my game vest. I was most defintely not dressed as anything that was in season.

32 posted on 09/30/2005 6:02:58 AM PDT by IamConservative (Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most times will pick himself up and carry on.)
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To: Savage Beast

If you don't like to hunt, don't hunt. You are well within your rights to control hunting on your property as well.

I would wager that you haven't tried hunting, so you don't understand the appeal. That's OK. More for me!


33 posted on 09/30/2005 6:05:47 AM PDT by gridlock (ELIMINATE PERVERSE INCENTIVES)
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To: Minnesoootan
It's black bear season,with the leaves still on the trees I can see it happening.

From the reports I read, he was squirrel hunting with a 22. You have to sight your target and take careful aim to get any game. This was no accident. Especially multiple shots.

IMHO this bastard should be tied to the tree and left to die on his own.
34 posted on 09/30/2005 6:06:08 AM PDT by newcthem (And Atlas Shrugged.)
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To: newcthem

Didn't know that from this article,thanks for the info!


35 posted on 09/30/2005 6:09:41 AM PDT by Minnesoootan
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To: Gondring
No, I haven't, and perhaps you're right, but I still cannot understand how anyone could derive pleasure from inflicting pain and terror.
36 posted on 09/30/2005 6:18:11 AM PDT by Savage Beast (Love is the ultimate aphrodisiac.)
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To: Savage Beast
(subjecting animals to pain and terror.)


Would you rather they be strapped down and given a lethal injection. Better yet, we could just read them posts like yours until we bore them to death. I'm also a landowner, I've got 3 sections that I've been running a hunting operation on for close to 25 years, add to that, the fact that I've been a hunter for most of my 50+ years, I've never seen this pain and terror you suggest.
37 posted on 09/30/2005 6:25:12 AM PDT by Graycliff (Long haired freaky people, need not apply.)
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To: gridlock
No, you are mistaken.

My father's family, whom I love and admire, are avid hunters--the men, the women, and the children.

My father was not, though he loved to fish, but I never heard him comment one way or another about hunting.

When I was a teenager I hunted with my family. I have killed ducks, and I have been involved with killing deer, boar, racoons, possoms, and other animals, though I never killed one myself. I hated watching them die.

I never liked hunting because I never enjoyed subjecting an animal to pain, terror, and death, and I never understood how anyone could. I still don't.

I have no problem with others who do--including my family members.

I am also a vegetarian--for the same reason, I suppose--but I have no quarrel with those who are not.

Incidentally, a dear friend invited me for dinner, and as a special surprise, she served me venison, that someone had given her. (She forgot that I was a veg.) I ate it. I appreciated her kindness. I would do it again.

38 posted on 09/30/2005 6:27:12 AM PDT by Savage Beast (Love is the ultimate aphrodisiac.)
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To: Kimmers

Thought he was big foot. Actually, he wasn't far from it.


39 posted on 09/30/2005 6:30:19 AM PDT by Safetgiver (Noone spoke when the levee done broke, Blanco cried and Nagin lied.)
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To: gridlock
How can one be so inhumane to leave another person to die just because one is afraid of getting in trouble?

Remember the woman in Texas a couple years ago who hit a pedestrian who got lodged in her windshield, but was still alive. She drove home with him hanging out her windshield, drove into the garage and left him there to die...only because she was afraid of getting in trouble. Ya just can't make this kind of stuff up, can ya!

40 posted on 09/30/2005 6:31:56 AM PDT by nfldgirl ("I love a good rant every now-n-then!")
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To: Savage Beast

(I ate it. I appreciated her kindness. I would do it again.)

Then your not a veggie, your a hypocrite.


41 posted on 09/30/2005 6:32:46 AM PDT by Graycliff (Long haired freaky people, need not apply.)
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To: Graycliff
"I've never seen this pain and terror you suggest."

I have. And I haven't done as much hunting as you have. Maybe you should take a look.

Do you think the deer that is exhausted from the chase of the dogs is not terrified?

What about the animal who is not killed instantly? Do you think it doesn't feel pain and fear?

I have seen people enjoy watching dogs kill a raccoon.

If you enjoy it, do it. I'm not trying to stop you.

However, if you think the animals don't experience pain and terror, you are kidding yourself.

42 posted on 09/30/2005 6:34:24 AM PDT by Savage Beast (Love is the ultimate aphrodisiac.)
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To: Savage Beast
No, I haven't, and perhaps you're right, but I still cannot understand how anyone could derive pleasure from inflicting pain and terror.

We don't. We derive pleasure from harvesting game. A conscientious hunter's goal is to do that with as little pain and terror as possible.

The process itself is primal, and intrinsically validating for one who is unashamed of masculinity. To bring home the venison is akin to bringing home the bacon; it says to you "Yes, you have what it takes." It's affirming.

That said, it's not for everyone.

43 posted on 09/30/2005 6:38:56 AM PDT by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: Savage Beast

Well, that's fine. More for me.


44 posted on 09/30/2005 6:39:14 AM PDT by gridlock (ELIMINATE PERVERSE INCENTIVES)
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To: lunarbicep

as a gentle giant, who stood over six feet tall and wore size 17 shoes.....do you think this hunter thought he saw a bigfoot? There are people that would love to capture or kill one to prove it's real and what kind of animal did this guy think he was hunting and did he have a permit just to go shoot any animal.


45 posted on 09/30/2005 6:41:29 AM PDT by longfellow (Bill Maher, the 21st hijacker.)
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To: lunarbicep

This idiot needs to be locked up and the keys lost.


46 posted on 09/30/2005 6:43:03 AM PDT by Stonewall Jackson ("Those who fail to study history are doomed to repeat the mistakes of the past.")
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To: newcthem
Yes, they're terribly stylish and they keep your ears warm, but you should never wear these out in the woods this time of year.


47 posted on 09/30/2005 6:43:53 AM PDT by Luddite Patent Counsel (Theyre digging through all of your files, stealing back your best ideas.)
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To: Graycliff
No, I am a vegetarian and not a hypocrit. I merely appreciated my friend's kind gesture and hospitality, and I cherished the respect and affection that I have for her, more than I wanted to avoid eating the venison.

It was one of the many choices that we all make every day.

Incidentally, this friend is a raving Leftist and Democrat who campaigned for Kerry and adores Bill and Hillary Clinton. I also did not attack her political positions--though I have discussed these things with her many times and consider them utterly harebrained, and she knows it. Being a Leftist and a carnivore are only some of her qualities; she has many more that I value, cherish, admire, and respect.

This no more makes me a Leftist/Democrat and hypocrit, than my accepting her gift of venison makes me a carnivore and hypocrit did.

48 posted on 09/30/2005 6:44:44 AM PDT by Savage Beast (Love is the ultimate aphrodisiac.)
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To: Savage Beast

(Do you think the deer that is exhausted from the chase of the dogs is not terrified?)


Don't know what state you live in, but hunting deer with dogs is illegal here.


49 posted on 09/30/2005 6:46:41 AM PDT by Graycliff (Long haired freaky people, need not apply.)
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To: Kimmers

"How does a big like like this get confused for an animal? Prayers up for this family....."

We have that problem here in the mountains of the Carolinas. Many hunters are out to kill whatever. And often they are caught hunting in areas they have no busines in. Sadly due to these idiots we curtail hiking in the fall due to stupid hunters. Last year on my own land a shot rang out and heard the round go through the trees.


50 posted on 09/30/2005 6:47:28 AM PDT by American Vet Repairman (Will unite terrorists with virgins for free.)
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