This is it's big brother the "Honest John."
The nuke delivery in my previous post was a tube artillery piece. I believe it was an 8" but could have been a 155mm.
Posted on 10/01/2005 5:11:19 AM PDT by Dog
Sorry, some of the guys got a little rain in other parts of Iraq already and was wondering. Temps should be getting better though, right?
It is not just voting... or maybe it is. It is having a stake in your future, in what your country does that combats extremism. It has worked throughout the world.
Re-read "The Pentagon's New Map", it pretty much proves the theory.
What you are saying is what people said about the Japanese and the Germans. That their culture prevents them from being anything but murderous. Sorry, I don't buy that, it is a form of prejudice. The Iraqis deserve the chance to prove you wrong.
Thanks for digging up a story about this operation.
Did you actually just toss the race card?
Not talking about Iraqis, I am talking about muslims. And when were Germans or the Japense taking a plane and running into a building or loading up backpacks and blowing up their fellow citizens? And when we confronted these two cultures we used all the force necessary to win after mobilizing our nation to fight them.
Islam is what we are contesting, not Iraqi's, as that is what is spawning the terrorist.
And at what cost to america do we allow the Iraqis to have the chance to vote? And once again so what if they vote?
We are in the middle of a civil war and doing the dirty work for Iran while we are it.
CNN is reporting that some forces will be staying.
You actually just threw out the race card.
At what cost are we prepared to pay for the Iraqi's to get the chance to vote and how does the chance make us safer?
When we fought the germans and the japense we mobilizied the nation and fought them using any and all means avaliable.
Is Iraq the center of gravity for Islam?
I have a hard time seeing how giving oppressed muslims in Iraq equates to blowing up western establishments.
In WWII we lost hundreds of thousands of soldiers, sailors and marines. I don't think you want us to persue that strategy now.
As you well know, many Sunnis don't think of Shiites as their own people. So a Sunni from Saudi Arabia blowing up a Shiite crowd can be likened to a Japanese Kamakazee.
As far as doing Iran's dirty work, you have been in Sunni country too long, I think. You wouldn't be saying that if you were in Bashra.
Again, I say, give the Iraqis a chance.
"Is Iraq the center of gravity for Islam? "
It has been in the past.
hmm, sorry about the double rant.
And their is a Regt out that way. It comes down to a troop to tasks issue.
The sound of silence from the rest of the middle east as the AQ and sunnis blow up Shia's is telling enough.
The sound of silence from the rest of the middle east as the AQ and sunnis blow up Shia's is telling enough.
Dictators don't want a democracy in Iraq.
Talking about WWII:
Seventy-five years ago... it was a difficult time when the world's democracies were like islands in a raging sea. Adolph Hitler was planning his ascent to power in Germany and plotting his conquest of Europe. And Joseph Stalin was consolidating his rule and building a Soviet Union that would threaten the entire free world.
Today, however, democracies are emerging wherever and whenever the tides of oppression recede. As President Bush said in his Second Inaugural Address, "The best hope for peace in our world is the expansion of freedom in all the world." -- Sec. of State Rice, yesterday
I would suggest you take a minute now and read the rest.
The WOT is being fought on an unconventional plane. We are at war against Fascism pure and simple. The "insurgency" is not fighting a war of liberation but to break the will of the American people back home who spend their days thinking baseball, football, children family work etc in order to re-insert fear oppression and tyranny on these people. We have the technical capability and the military doctrine to destroy any enemy on the battlefield however the enemy has time and patience. The war on Terror did not start wit Saddaam but may end there. It began long long ago when the muslim brotherhood was conceived in Egypts fifty odd years ago. Islamofascism is AQ and Saddaam all rolled into one. The ME is at war with the rest of the world and itself. The differing actors like OBL Zarqawi, Saddam, Hassad all are in effect lieutenants against the west. The biggest fear they have is that once the genie is out of the bottle (freedom) they will be swept by events they no longer control. Freedom is a powerful thing. America is the result of men who believed that tyranny must be challenged and destroyed at all cost so that all men live in freedom from fear, persecution and death. Muslims surely aspire to this most noble of human traits. as well We are fighting tyranny in Iraq so one day we do not need to fight it on our streets. Some like yourself will fight it head on and others will fight it in the court of public opinion (Free Republic) and this is where the actual WOT is happening. Be save all of you
What was the name of that weapons system? Isn't that little john?
It isn't race as much as a violent addictve religion. Much like our gangs only bigger and better established.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4299800.stm
The extreme religion is kept in place by the dictators of the region. Get rid of the dictators and the extremism will go.
In the course of the twentieth century, a new form of Islam arose, one that now has great appeal and power. Militant Islam (or Islamism—same thing) goes back to Egypt in the 1920s, when an organization called the Muslim Brethren first emerged, though there are other strains as well, including an Iranian one, largely formulated by Ayatollah Khomeini, and a Saudi one, to which the ruling Taliban in Afghanistan and Usama bin Ladin both belong. Islamism differs in many ways from traditional Islam. It is faith turned into ideology, and radical ideology at that. When asked, "Do you consider yourself a revolutionary?" Sudanese Islamist politician Hasan al-Turabi replied, "Completely." Whereas traditional Islam places the responsibility on each believer to live according to God's will, Islamism makes this duty something for which the state is responsible. Islam is a personal belief system that focuses on the individual; Islamism is a state ideology that looks to the society. Islamists constitute a small but significant minority of Muslims in the U.S. and worldwide, perhaps 10 to 15 percent. from: Fighting Militant Islam, Without Bias
I followed a link from this thread and it showed a picture of idiots holding up parts from a U.S.military vehicle (which really sets me off). I followed the link to the photo and snapped the caption under the photo (same photo).
My comment was a general comment that these idiots make me angry and need to be interrogated (they are no friends of ours)
The picture was there to attract you to the news page. It looks like it succeeded. News is a business.
This is it's big brother the "Honest John."
The nuke delivery in my previous post was a tube artillery piece. I believe it was an 8" but could have been a 155mm.
Yut is a Korean dice game.
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