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9th Ward has history, but does it have a future? (Will Common Sense Trump PC?)
Washington Post/MSNBC ^ | 10/02/2005 | Ceci Connolly

Posted on 10/02/2005 11:36:41 PM PDT by drt1

Race, class frame debate on rebuilding low-lying New Orleans district. NEW ORLEANS, Oct. 2 - No one here wants to say it aloud, but one day soon the bulldozers will come, shoving away big hunks of a neighborhood known for its poverty and its artists, its bad luck and its bounce-back resilience.

It is likely to be the largest demolition of a community in modern U.S. history -- destruction begun by hurricanes Katrina and Rita and finished by heavy machinery. On Saturday, firefighters put red tags on hundreds of homes deemed "unsafe," the first step in a wrenching debate over whether the Lower Ninth Ward should be rebuilt or whether, as some suggest, it should revert to its natural state: swamp....

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TOPICS: Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: katrina; ninthward; no
"as some suggest, it should revert to its natural state: swamp" - Now we're talking. Hope some of this thinking takes hold. If not I suspect we'll see another disaster in NO in the next 50 years or sooner.
1 posted on 10/02/2005 11:36:42 PM PDT by drt1
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To: All
Expect a lot of race cards to get thrown down in this mess. No matter what happens, it's gonna be all whitey's fault. Rev'run Jesse, Rev'run Al and anti-semite Cynthia will see to that...along with Tinfoil Hat Farrakhan.


2 posted on 10/02/2005 11:52:54 PM PDT by Prime Choice (E=mc^3. Don't drink and derive.)
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To: drt1
They should take a lesson from the 1889 Seattle fire. Hilly conditions prevented firefighting efforts, so when that part of the city was rebuilt, they raised the streets 20 feet to make it less hilly and have better firefighting effectiveness. Buried all kinds of businesses and buildings.

9th ward should be filled in for safety, nothing to do with race or class.

3 posted on 10/03/2005 2:02:36 AM PDT by leadhead (It’s a duty and a responsibility to defeat them. But it's also a pleasure)
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To: drt1

I take Ceci Connolly to be a bleeding heart lib of the usual Washington Post stripe, but this seems to be a fair analysis. So even the libs may see the folly of rebuilding in swampland prone to flooding and mold. Sadly, we all find out sometime in life that "you can't go home again," and for all the fond memories it may have for many, that applies to the Lower Ninth.


4 posted on 10/03/2005 2:08:18 AM PDT by Malesherbes
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To: leadhead

Filled in? I don't think so, the 9th Ward is pretty big, that would take a lot of fill.

Personally, Id rather see a Memorial Marsh in it's place. It would be much simpler to just buy out the home owners at before-hurricane market prices.


5 posted on 10/03/2005 3:07:40 AM PDT by jimtorr
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To: drt1
""as some suggest, it should revert to its natural state: swamp" - Now we're talking. Hope some of this thinking takes hold."

Wrong---they'll be building new structures, probably bigger and better than the originals. The idea the New Orleans won't rebuild is simply wishful thinking.

6 posted on 10/03/2005 3:29:33 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel)
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To: Wonder Warthog
The idea the New Orleans won't rebuild is simply wishful thinking.

There is a big difference between New Orleans and the lower Ninth Ward. "New Orleans" does not need rebuilding. Much of it is fine. Much of the rest will be rebuilt by its owners privately. There are, however, many buildings in dangerous, impoverished areas that are slated for destruction where the owners of the property might not rebuild. There is a simple question to ask about these: If one tears down the condemned house and then builds a simple house on that same lot, is there anyone who will rent that house at a rate that will pay for its reconstruction? My expectation is that there are thousands of structures for which this answer is no. There is simply no one willing to live in these areas if they have to pay rent sufficient to fund the construction of a new house. So either those lots will stand empty, or else the housing will be subsidised, which will inevitably lead to total dysfunction. I say let those marginal lots stand empty for a time. No subsidised housing, and no new wetlands. In five or ten years, if those areas have become something better than what they were before, then perhaps someone will buy those lots and then build there. If not, then what's the big deal? There are plenty of cities with empty lots in undesirable areas. Why not New Oleans too?

7 posted on 10/03/2005 4:10:36 AM PDT by rogue yam
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To: drt1

The powers that be are already meeting in Baton Rouge, planning how they will avoid sharing any of the Federal money with the people who need it most, the poor in the 9th ward and in St. Bernard's Parish.

They don't want these people back.

They just want the money.

Bush needs to get on top of these scammers because if he allows them to rape America financially, it WILL be his fault.


8 posted on 10/03/2005 5:07:40 AM PDT by jeffers
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To: rogue yam
"Why not New Oleans too?"

Because the "poverty pimps" will scream "racism".

But the simple fact is that the 9th ward will be rebuilt because there just isn't that much land area available in New Orleans.

9 posted on 10/03/2005 5:18:39 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel)
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To: drt1

In most flood prone areas the feds refuse to permit rebuilding by refusing to issue flood policies. Whole towns have been forced to move to high ground in other states.


10 posted on 10/03/2005 9:11:05 AM PDT by wildbill
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To: wildbill
That is the key - Flood insurance. Unfortunately the Fed still act as insurer for all sorts of essentially uneconomic building, from coastal residences to flood plain dwellings. The bigger problem is that, even if they stop underwriting and subsidizing individual choices to build in harms way and failure by owners to endure the risk adjusted expense of purchasing relatively expensive private market insurance, the Feds will provide FEMA or other disaster relief. Bottom line is that, IMO, the Feds should leave all of this to the free market, stop distorting the economics of where to build and stop caving in to 'Political compassion' (a la Katrina).

They propose to make a homeowner whole in the Ninth Ward even if they had no flood insurance. What about those who thought ahead and purchased this insurance on their own - Do they get paid twice?

BTW I think the same intrusion into individual choice and individual consequences for these choices was also present in the 9/11 compensation.

11 posted on 10/03/2005 9:25:25 AM PDT by drt1
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To: drt1
the first step in a wrenching debate over whether the Lower Ninth Ward should be rebuilt or whether, as some suggest, it should revert to its natural state: swamp....

The lower ninth ward is a cesspool. It should be leveled and turned into an "urban wildlife refuge." The city also needs to break up the housing projects. They are magnets for drugs and crime.

12 posted on 10/03/2005 9:33:39 AM PDT by Cowboy Bob (Liberalism cannot survive in a free and open society.)
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To: drt1
9th Ward has history, but does it have a future?

Yes

Scores of Billions in taxpayer dollars for "infrastructure" followed by a state-of-the-art hurricane proof casino / entertainment district.

13 posted on 10/03/2005 9:37:22 AM PDT by WhiteGuy (Vote for gridlock)
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Mayor C. Ray Nagin, an African American who worked in the private sector before entering politics, has spelled out plans to reopen every section of the city -- except the Lower Ninth.

Not enough money in it for you, Ray?


14 posted on 10/03/2005 10:19:22 AM PDT by WasDougsLamb (Just my opinion.Go easy on me........)
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To: drt1
People all over the world have been escaping the water beneath them by building upwards.

High-rise apartments/condos seem like the obvious solution to the low areas. Given the much greater tenant capacity, the bottom floor(s) could be parking, laundry, recreation, etc., and more of the land could remain open landscape.

Fairly compensate the property owners & give first choice of apts/condos to former residents of the area. Most folks will be far better off than before Katrina.

I hate to say it - eminent domain is the solution to this problem.
15 posted on 10/03/2005 8:12:36 PM PDT by Mister Da (Nuke 'em til they glow!)
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To: Mister Da
Agree - Something has to be invoked to get the obviously ridiculous situation resolved and, if that is eminent domain, so be it. I've been thinking about your suggestion of high rise buildings for awhile and, if they must build in these areas, it is a solution. Building codes have to be enacted to stipulate such construction and, as a kicker, property tax rates have to be adjusted in order to reflect the costs of maintaining levees and to recapture these costs - Not the stupidity of the current situation where the true cost of having dwellings below sea level is shifted to the rest of the US in the form of Army Engineering costs buried deeply in some transportation bill or another. Finally, the outright moronic practice of providing Federally subsidized flood insurance has to be halted completely.

Once these laws are enacted I say let the rebuilding begin.

16 posted on 10/04/2005 6:58:57 AM PDT by drt1
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To: Cowboy Bob

"The lower ninth ward is a cesspool. It should be leveled and turned into an "urban wildlife refuge." The city also needs to break up the housing projects. They are magnets for drugs and crime."

But where will all the gangstas and homosexuals go?


17 posted on 10/08/2005 6:24:54 AM PDT by ViLaLuz (Stop the ACLU - Support the Public Expression of Religion Act 2005 - Call your congressmen.)
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To: drt1
The original link has been removed. This one as of today is still active.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/02/AR2005100201320_2.html

And the partial article, within the 300-word limit, is shown below:

No one here wants to say it aloud, but one day soon the bulldozers will come, shoving away big hunks of a neighborhood known for its poverty and its artists, its bad luck and its bounce-back resilience.

It is likely to be the largest demolition of a community in modern U.S. history -- destruction begun by hurricanes Katrina and Rita and finished by heavy machinery. On Saturday, firefighters put red tags on hundreds of homes deemed "unsafe," the first step in a wrenching debate over whether the Lower Ninth Ward should be rebuilt or whether, as some suggest, it should revert to its natural state: swamp.

A neighborhood tucked into a deep depression between two canals, railroad tracks and the Mississippi River, New Orleans's Lower Ninth has spent more of the past five weeks underwater than dry. Entire houses knocked off foundations. Barbershops and corner groceries flattened. What remains is coated in muck -- a crusty layer of canal water, sewage and dirt. Mold is rapidly devouring interiors.

The question now is whether the Lower Ninth Ward, which was devastated 40 years ago by Hurricane Betsy, should be resuscitated again. The debate, as fervent as any facing post-hurricane New Orleans, will test this city's mettle and is sure to expose tensions over race, poverty and political power. The people willing to let the Lower Ninth fade away hew to a pragmatist's bottom line; the ones who want it to stay talk of culture and tradition.

The flooded sections "should not be put back in the real estate market," said Craig E. Colten, a geography professor at Louisiana State University. "I realize it will be an insult [to former residents], but it would be a far bigger insult to put them back in harm's way."

18 posted on 10/18/2005 1:11:49 PM PDT by CedarDave (America's new fossil energy -- oil shale. Enviro-nazis newest endangered species -- the Shale Darter)
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