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A-380 Jet Flawed, Fired Worker Alleges
The Seattle Times, citing Los Angeles Times ^ | 10/2/2005 | Peter Pae

Posted on 10/03/2005 2:23:22 PM PDT by Paul Ross

A380 jet flawed, fired worker alleges ,br> Seattle Times 10/02/05
author: Los Angeles Times, Peter Pae
(Copyright 2005)

VIENNA -- Ever since the Mangans gave up their comfortable house in Kansas City and moved here a year ago, the family has been living in a kind of suspended animation.

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Mangan alleges that flaws in a microprocessor could cause the valves that maintain cabin pressure on the A380 to accidentally open during flight, allowing oxygen to leak out so rapidly that everyone aboard could lose consciousness within seconds.

It's a lethal scenario similar to the 1999 crash that killed professional golfer Payne Stewart and five others when their Learjet lost cabin pressure and they blacked out. The plane flew on autopilot for hours before crashing in South Dakota.

Mangan was chief engineer for TTTech Computertechnik, a Viennese company that supplies the computer chips and software to control the cabin-pressurization system for the A380, which is being assembled at the Airbus plant in France.

Last October, TTTech fired Mangan and filed civil and criminal charges against him for revealing company documents, arguing the information was proprietary and he had no right to disclose it to anyone.

(Excerpt) Read more at seattletimes.nwsource.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: a380; dangerous; flaws; jet; whistleblower
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1 posted on 10/03/2005 2:23:27 PM PDT by Paul Ross
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To: Paleo Conservative

ping


2 posted on 10/03/2005 2:29:07 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: Paul Ross

So, anyone for the maiden voyages? You first!


3 posted on 10/03/2005 2:38:29 PM PDT by Mount Athos
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To: Mount Athos

Oh, no, after you my friend. I insist!


4 posted on 10/03/2005 2:42:34 PM PDT by colorado tanker (The People Have Spoken)
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To: Paul Ross

If it ain't Boeing, I ain't going.


5 posted on 10/03/2005 2:43:27 PM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse
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To: Paul Ross

airbus=yugo's with wings


6 posted on 10/03/2005 2:45:03 PM PDT by JohnLongIsland
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To: Paul Ross

If that's really a problem with the plane it's one that can be easily fixed. Jets that large don't lose their cabin pressure instantaneously anyway unless there's a loss of structural integrity like the Hawaiian Air flight that lost the top of the fuselage.

Frankly I've heard there are far more serious issues with this plane than the one in the article. There are major questions about the design of the landing gear and whether or not the hydraulic system is adequate for the job.


7 posted on 10/03/2005 2:47:29 PM PDT by saganite (The poster formerly known as Arkie 2)
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To: saganite

Do the wheels turn sideways like the one that landed at LAX?


8 posted on 10/03/2005 2:51:12 PM PDT by ArtyFO (I love to smoke cigars when I adjust artillery fire.)
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To: saganite

Aloha.


9 posted on 10/03/2005 2:51:18 PM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse
If it ain't Boeing, I ain't going.

Exactly! I've only flown on an Airbus product once..and that one time was due to a last minute schedule change over which I had no control.

10 posted on 10/03/2005 2:51:18 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative
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To: RedBloodedAmerican

Correct. Thanks.


11 posted on 10/03/2005 2:55:25 PM PDT by saganite (The poster formerly known as Arkie 2)
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To: saganite

If Mangan worked for Boeing and made these allegations how would this play out?

The FAA reviews the design and says OK. End of story?

Design wise not the public relations end.


12 posted on 10/03/2005 3:00:02 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (Sane, and have the papers to prove it!)
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To: saganite
Airbus claims that Boing is rushing the 787. Does Airbus have contracts which void if not shipped on time?
13 posted on 10/03/2005 3:00:49 PM PDT by bahblahbah
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To: bahblahbah

Yes they do face penalties and Singapore Airlines has already taken them to court. They face cancellations if there are any further delays.


14 posted on 10/03/2005 3:03:42 PM PDT by saganite (The poster formerly known as Arkie 2)
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To: saganite
My understanding was that the Hawaiian Air passengers enjoyed the view - so I'm thinking a plane with an all Plexiglas fuselage would be a great idea...
15 posted on 10/03/2005 3:05:04 PM PDT by Wally_Kalbacken
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To: DUMBGRUNT

After reading the story I don't think Boeing would design a plane this way. The 380 has no manual backup for this system which I find odd. The pilots have absolutely no control over this system in the event of a malfunction. Boeing doesn't follow that philosophy.


16 posted on 10/03/2005 3:06:33 PM PDT by saganite (The poster formerly known as Arkie 2)
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To: Paul Ross
Because all four motors in that A380's cabin-pressurization system use the same type of flawed TTTech chip, Mangan says, "If one fails they all fail."

Not true.

From the limited info here, I'm putting my money "he's a whack job," although I'm sure many conspiracy minded Freepers back him.

17 posted on 10/03/2005 3:16:49 PM PDT by TankerKC (Done with the NFL..)
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To: ArtyFO
Do the wheels turn sideways like the one that landed at LAX?

Ahem... that is a FEATURE. It was specifically requested by an Airbus client, one Mr. JF Kerry .

18 posted on 10/03/2005 3:44:19 PM PDT by ikka
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To: TankerKC
Not true.

Then why does Boeing do it with triple-chip-alternating redundancy?

19 posted on 10/03/2005 3:52:35 PM PDT by Paul Ross ("The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the govt and I'm here to help)
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To: TankerKC
These elements from the article describe the competing industry practice:

The Boeing 777, for example, has cabin-pressure chips made by Motorola, Intel and Advanced Micro Devices. Most jetliners also have a manual override so that the pilot can take control in an emergency.

Airbus has acknowledged that its designers faced challenges as they attempted to reduce the A380's weight. The company elected to go with four outflow valves on the A380, with only one motor on each valve, which are slightly larger than a cabin window. Each motor uses a TTTech controller chip, and there is no backup manual-override system.

"Just there, I would not be happy," said Chris Lomax, a retired engineer who helped design the cabin-pressurization systems for Boeing's 737 and 747. "If all four valves [on the A380] were driven wide open, it would be nip and tuck for the crew to get their [oxygen] mask on and begin a descent..."

20 posted on 10/03/2005 4:00:31 PM PDT by Paul Ross ("The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the govt and I'm here to help)
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