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THE ULTIMATE TROJAN HORSE?
RealClearPolitics.com ^ | October 5, 2005 | Tom Bevan

Posted on 10/05/2005 10:29:24 AM PDT by new yorker 77

She's polite. Shy. Smart. Modest. Hard-working. Goes to church. Helps the poor. She immediately won the praise of the leader of the Democrats in the Senate. And yet she may end up making Justices Scalia and Thomas look like a couple of card carrying lefties.

I'm exaggerating for effect, of course, but the point is that despite the dramatic tearing of flesh that has gone on in some conservative quarters over the last 48 hours, the indications are that Bush has chosen someone who is extremely culturally conservative. Based on what little we know at this point, he's also chosen someone who favors the Patriot Act, wider presidential authority and an aggressive national security posture.

I understand the disappointment on the right. Conservatives wanted a first-rate legal and ideological gladiator to go do battle with liberals in the Senate. Instead, Bush gave them the Church Lady.

But gladiators don't receive - nor should they expect to be given - any mercy from their opponents. A humble, accomplished, God-fearing woman is a different proposition. Those who know this process understand that the first few hours and days are absolutely critical in shaping the image of the nominee for the public. Thus far, aside from the griping of conservatives, Miers' public image is developing rather favorably and isn't being radically influenced by attacks from left-wing interest groups the way other nominations would have been.

George Will argues this morning that these types of political considerations are unimportant. Qualifications are all that matter and, according to Will, Miers isn't remotely qualified:

The wisdom of presumptive opposition to Miers's confirmation flows from the fact that constitutional reasoning is a talent -- a skill acquired, as intellectual skills are, by years of practice sustained by intense interest. It is not usually acquired in the normal course of even a fine lawyer's career.

I find this line of reasoning deeply elitist and unpersuasive. Will is setting a standard (years of practice of constitutional reasoning sustained by intense interest) that would exclude a vast number of people who would make perfectly fine justices (including Senators like Orrin Hatch) as well as a number of those who've served ably on the court (including William Rehnquist who spent 16 years in private practice in Arizona and then only 3 years in the Nixon administration before being nominated to the Court).

I also find Will's complete and total deference to constitutional scholarship unsettling. Yes, we want talented, high-caliber appointments to the Court which represents, we should remind ourselves, a co-equal branch of government. It's not at all convincing to say, if you follow Will's logic, that a court made up of nine of the country's most eminent, ivy-league pedigreed constitutional scholars is going to be any better for America than a Court composed of justices who have demonstrable talent of varying legal backgrounds and perspectives. And it is undeniable that Harriet Miers is an accomplished lawyer.

So where does all this leave us? I suspect most Republicans and conservatives will become more comfortable with Miers as we move forward and most Democrats, including Harry Reid, are going to find themselves with an increasing urge to sink her nomination.

One way of doing that is to attack her religious convictions and to imply they make her unfit to serve. This is a very perilous strategy. The other way for the Democrats to derail Miers is to argue that she is unqualified due to a lack of experience and/or intellectual-horsepower. Still a tough case for the Democrats, in my opinion, though certainly a lot easier to make when conservatives are already out there doing it for them.


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: harrietmiers; miers; scotus
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1 posted on 10/05/2005 10:29:24 AM PDT by new yorker 77
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To: new yorker 77
Conservatives wanted a first-rate legal and ideological gladiator to go do battle with liberals in the Senate. Instead, Bush gave them the Church Lady.

ROTFLMAO.... that is so funny.
2 posted on 10/05/2005 10:32:58 AM PDT by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget (God punishes Conservatives by making them argue with fools.)
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To: new yorker 77
"She immediately won the praise of the leader of the Democrats in the Senate. And yet she may end up making Justices Scalia and Thomas look like a couple of card carrying lefties. "

While none of us know how she'll end up being, and he's certainly entitled to disagree w/ Will, I have to say nothing in his article supports his claim (however exaggerated) that she may be to the right of Scalia or Thomas.
3 posted on 10/05/2005 10:33:46 AM PDT by Pessimist
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Hush now! A Trojan only works if its secret.
I hope you got it right.
4 posted on 10/05/2005 10:33:51 AM PDT by kisanri
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To: new yorker 77
I suspect most Republicans and conservatives will become more comfortable with Miers as we move forward and most Democrats, including Harry Reid, are going to find themselves with an increasing urge to sink her nomination.

Stratergery, anyone?

5 posted on 10/05/2005 10:34:34 AM PDT by PRND21
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To: Pessimist
And yet she may end up making Justices Scalia and Thomas look like a couple of card carrying lefties.

The problem is that there is NO evidence to suggest this this.

6 posted on 10/05/2005 10:35:29 AM PDT by KC_Conspirator (This space outsourced to India)
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To: new yorker 77
It's not at all convincing to say, if you follow Will's logic, that a court made up of nine of the country's most eminent, ivy-league pedigreed constitutional scholars is going to be any better for America than a Court composed of justices who have demonstrable talent of varying legal backgrounds and perspectives.

Will is inclined to this sort of snobbery. I didn't even approve of the way he took after Jimmy Carter. The Olympian tone, I mean.

7 posted on 10/05/2005 10:37:23 AM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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For to win one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the acme of skill. To subdue the enemy without fighting is the supreme excellence. - Sun Tzu
8 posted on 10/05/2005 10:37:27 AM PDT by Paradox (Just because we are not perfect, does not mean we are not good.)
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To: KC_Conspirator
Sure there is evidence... if she is TRULY a born again believer, that is all the evidence I need.

This would be the first evangelical Christian on SCOTUS in about 70 years.

9 posted on 10/05/2005 10:37:55 AM PDT by Battle Hymn of the Republic
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To: new yorker 77

A church-going woman will never be a Trojan Horse as far as the Left is concerned; nothing would raise their suspicions so quickly.


10 posted on 10/05/2005 10:38:06 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: new yorker 77

Of course, it would be against the laws of this nation to subject ANY nominee to a religious test. The libs in the Senate will only be able to use their usual anti-Christian code language in this case, lest they violate their own oaths of office.


11 posted on 10/05/2005 10:39:48 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: new yorker 77

And after all is said and done, the so-called conservatives who unloaded ammo this week need to sit down and figure out how much damage they have done to themselves and their causes with this White House. GWB still had 3+ year left in his term. He will almost certainly get another SCOTUS position to fill. He will be kingmaker for the 2008 GOP nomination. Anyone seeing a McCain/Guiliani, McCain/Rice, Guiliani/Rice ticket?


12 posted on 10/05/2005 10:39:59 AM PDT by medscribe
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At the presser yesterday Bush must have stated every which way this woman was a conservative, pro-life, God fearing woman without using those words.

I just know conservatives will shoot themselves in the foot by making her prove her credentials so as to sink her nomination.


13 posted on 10/05/2005 10:40:06 AM PDT by Republican Red (''Van der Sloot" is Dutch for ''Kennedy.")
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To: Paradox

"If you push something hard enough, it will fall over." - Firesign Theatre

Trojan Horse? Oh brother. I think whatever you see with Judge Harriet, it's what you get.

The President could have served filet mignon - instead he brought out the scrapple.


14 posted on 10/05/2005 10:40:34 AM PDT by RexBeach ("The rest of the world is three drinks behind." -Humphrey Bogart)
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To: new yorker 77

This is probably correct.

And Miers probably will be a very social conservative vote on the Court. Which means that in Miers, Bush has probably given conservative Republicans precisely what they have pined for and worked towards for all these years.

The same is probably true of Roberts.

With these two appointments, the Supreme Court will probably be 4-4 conservative-liberal, with Kennedy as the "swing vote", and the conservatives will get their wishes.

The problem with all of that is that word "probably".
Conservative Republicans haven't fought for 32 years to get a pair of "probablies" and "wait-and-sees" out of a Republican President and a Republican Senate.

What was supposed to happen was a pair of "certainlies", which would have required nuclear war in the Senate, but which would have then established a certain outcome.

Because if even one of that string of "probablies" goes awry, the conservatives will have worked all these years to have been played like chumps by the Republican establishment. That social conservatives have to "wait and see" on this reduces them to the status of being the Republicans' "Black Bloc". And that is just not good enough for the foundational cornerstone of the party. It assumes too much discretionary power on the part of the elected leadership. Conservatives did not elect Bush to act this way. He is doing it "his way", which reposes on "probably".
He failed his base, even if the "probablies" turn out right.


15 posted on 10/05/2005 10:40:52 AM PDT by Vicomte13 (Et alors?)
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To: new yorker 77
Dr. George Will has it all wrong. He has been away from his academic studies too long...

The founding fathers wrote a simple document, the Constitution. It would not have been ratified without the Bill of Rights. The 1st 6 Rights were not sufficient to win approval. The founders had to add 4 more Rights (and reach the mystical number 10). The 10th Amendment was absolutely necessary for passage.

Having written this, one needs only add that what is or is not constitutional does not require a great legal mind. It requires someone who can read and be true to the document. It helps if someone has read the arguments for and against the document.

Great legal minds are needed only when one hopes the Court will find something in the Constitution nor originally there, ie; the Commerce Clause as the end all authority for Federal encroachment into education, environment, fuel standards, etc.

The founders provided for a solution to issues they could not possibly consider... the Amendment.

We do not need great minds, we need resolute individuals to tell Congress to stuff it or Amend it!
16 posted on 10/05/2005 10:41:17 AM PDT by Prost1 (New AG, Berger is still free, copped a plea! I still get my news from FR!)
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To: Pessimist
While none of us know how she'll end up being, and he's certainly entitled to disagree w/ Will, I have to say nothing in his article supports his claim (however exaggerated) that she may be to the right of Scalia or Thomas.

She would be the first evangelical Christian put on the court since something like the 30's. That says something.... something substantial. She may very well become the conservative version of the activist left. Scalia and Thomas are conservative because a true reading of the Constitution supports it... while at least a couple on the left rule that was DESPITE the text of the constitution. Miers may end up being the right's version of an activist judge. I prefer someone who rules the right way for the right reasons... but I will settle for someone who rules the right way because she agrees with me. :-)

17 posted on 10/05/2005 10:43:03 AM PDT by IMRight
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To: KC_Conspirator
And yet she may end up making Justices Scalia and Thomas look like a couple of card carrying lefties.

>>The problem is that there is NO evidence to suggest this this

Not only that, there IS evidence to suggest she will NOT be to the right of Scalia & Thomas. Harry Ried's approval for starters.

18 posted on 10/05/2005 10:44:00 AM PDT by handy (Forgive me this day, my daily typos...The Truth is not a Smear!)
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To: new yorker 77

It should come as no surprsise the the President isn't an ideological purist - he never claimed to be.

No spending vetoes, and no questions of judge appointees about abortion (so he says) should prove he's not a purist.

I've never heard the President describe his vision of judicial restraint, other the mouthing catchphrases.

Considering the Senate, the President may have concluded that conservatives are still underdogs (who need stealth) instead of proven electoral winners.


19 posted on 10/05/2005 10:45:00 AM PDT by SeriousSassy (I know manure when I step in it!)
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To: new yorker 77

You know how important loyalty is to the president. This woman is one of his most trusted. She will carry the torch that Bush held when we elected him.


20 posted on 10/05/2005 10:45:12 AM PDT by zeebee
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