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THE ULTIMATE TROJAN HORSE?
RealClearPolitics.com ^ | October 5, 2005 | Tom Bevan

Posted on 10/05/2005 10:29:24 AM PDT by new yorker 77

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To: The Sons of Liberty
Wasn't Bush's hands tied when Specter showed his lack of support for a strong nominee by trying to get O'Connor to stay to the end of this session. Bush already has the McCain 7 to deal with who sold us out on the filibuster. The senate also has at least 5-6 rino's who won't support a true "fire breathing " conservative. I don't like this nominee and if she proves to be anything other than a hard conservative I think the GOP just lost a lot of support in 06 and 08.
61 posted on 10/05/2005 11:34:15 AM PDT by wmfights (lead, follow, or get out of the way)
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To: new yorker 77
[ The other way for the Democrats to derail Miers is to argue that she is unqualified due to a lack of experience and/or intellectual-horsepower. ]

Democrats arguing lack of intellectual horsepower (ANY DEMOCRAT) would be a comedy routine worthy of observing.. Yes even Zell Miller.. If Zell was smart he wouldn't even BE a democrat..

62 posted on 10/05/2005 11:36:14 AM PDT by hosepipe (This Propaganda has been edited to include not a small amount of Hyperbole..)
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To: new yorker 77
"One way of doing that [sink the Harriet Miers nomination] is to attack her religious convictions and to imply they make her unfit to serve. This is a very perilous strategy. The other way for the Democrats to derail Miers is to argue that she is unqualified due to a lack of experience and/or intellectual-horsepower. Still a tough case for the Democrats, in my opinion, though certainly a lot easier to make when conservatives are already out there doing it for them."


That's okay. Those "conservatives" will never vote for GWB again.

BTW ... Tom Bevan takes a nice smack at George Will. ;)



63 posted on 10/05/2005 11:37:47 AM PDT by G.Mason ("The Donner Party faithful" ... deport, Oct 4th 2005 ... They're not just hungry, they're ravenous!)
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To: blackie

"GWB hasn't failed anyone ~ Stop Sniveling and Get A Grip!"

I wasn't snivelling in the first place.
What I have stopped doing is contributing, and volunteering, and voting for caucus Republicans like Christopher Shays.

I do not trust this President anymore.
Nor do I trust the Senate leadership.
They have lost my trust by not supporting important issues.

And this was simply the straw that broke the camel's back.
She will probably turn out alright.
And that's not good enough.
After giving a pass to these bozos on immigration, on spending, on the mishandling of the Iraq war and WMD, on Schiavo and the nuclear option, my "trust me" is all used up.
I DON'T trust them.
They have not EARNED my trust.
Show me.
He didn't.
Stating that is not "snivelling".
It's a fact.
And repeated a million times over, it will result in a bad year for Republicans.
Maybe the lesson will be learnt.
Maybe not.


64 posted on 10/05/2005 11:39:20 AM PDT by Vicomte13 (Et alors?)
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To: Theophilus

Yes, it's a good start. Let's hope he proves good and effective.


65 posted on 10/05/2005 11:40:52 AM PDT by Vicomte13 (Et alors?)
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To: KC_Conspirator
The problem is that there is NO evidence to suggest this this.

What an intellectually dishonest statement, all the more ironic coming from those who claim that she isn't intellectual enough.

There is plenty of evidence to suggest, the real complaint is that there isn't much evidence to prove or substantiate. You don't think the fact that she vetted and recommended so many excellent lower court nominees might suggest her leanings? Why would Pres. Bush, who knows who well, give her that task if her views were at odds with his? Why would he give her the WH Counsel's office job, where she deals with virtually every legal matter that passes through the WH, if her views didn't match his? That would be a whole lot of trust in delegation going on to pass off to someone with suspect views. Plenty of testimony from cohorts going back decades suggesting that she is strongly conservative, and various aspects of her life also suggest such.

If you want to claim that we don't are severely lacking solid evidence, fine. But to say that nothing suggests that she would be strongly conservative is hyperbole that ignore mounds of contradicting evidence put forth here in the last several days.

66 posted on 10/05/2005 11:43:42 AM PDT by Diddle E. Squat ("I'm quitting the GOP! (Again!)" - Eeyore. Join the Self-Annointed Martyr Party!)
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To: Bob Buchholz

Ann Coulter's a LITTLE prettier than Miers!


67 posted on 10/05/2005 11:45:29 AM PDT by RockinRight (Why are there so many RINOs?)
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To: KC_Conspirator

Sorry for the typo, should read:

If you want to claim that we are severely lacking solid evidence, fine.


68 posted on 10/05/2005 11:46:26 AM PDT by Diddle E. Squat ("I'm quitting the GOP! (Again!)" - Eeyore. Join the Self-Annointed Martyr Party!)
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To: TXBSAFH
"My objections are the following: ..."


That post is a shining example of why people should never put bumper stickers on their vehicles.

They know they are sick puppies, why advertise it?

Of course, this being Free Republic, we have that inherent right. Full speed ahead. ;)



69 posted on 10/05/2005 11:50:51 AM PDT by G.Mason ("The Donner Party faithful" ... deport, Oct 4th 2005 ... They're not just hungry, they're ravenous!)
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To: GarySpFc

"From an Evangelical Christian point of view there is considerable EVIDENCE Miers will be to the right of Scalia and Thomas."

Agreed. She will make Scalia look like Lenin's more Liberal brother.

I think this is a fine pick and as a bonus, she has not been judge and she has run a business.


70 posted on 10/05/2005 11:52:54 AM PDT by TexanToTheCore (Rock the pews, Baby)
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To: new yorker 77
a skill acquired, as intellectual skills are, by years of practice sustained by intense interest.

I am of the opinion that what makes judges tack left once appointed is that they come to believe that their intellect is superior to written and stated matters of law. They seek to create profound meaning where none is required or exists. Roe v. Wade a case in point. There is no right to privacy in the constitution. The intellectual struggle in Roe v. Wade was not in creating the right that didn't exist, the struggle was creating the numerous pages of BS around the ruling trying to convince everyone that the right did exist.

To me, the excerpt from Will's article would seem to point out the source of the problem, not the solution. I am sure some of these intellectuals are still trying to figure out the meaning of "is".

years of practice sustained by intense interest

- to me, this defines a fanatic - someone that won't change their mind and won't change the subject.

71 posted on 10/05/2005 11:53:22 AM PDT by IamConservative (Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most times will pick himself up and carry on.)
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To: new yorker 77

Ultimate Trojan? I get the feeling these two have never met.

72 posted on 10/05/2005 11:53:25 AM PDT by edpc
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To: Diddle E. Squat
No, in fact it is you and others who are being dishonest. I wrote alot worse, but pulled it, after your smarmy remark. Never said she was not qualified, never said she was not intellectual enough.

Nice paragraph, but in the end it still does not list much evidence showing that she supports conservative causes. Association is good, but not credible.

Christine Todd Whitman was on the Bush cabinet in the first term, was'nt she. By association, she should have had the same poltiical views, but she was very liberal.

Furthermore, at least one person asked me to take the nomination on faith. Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?

However, I have just learned that she belongs to a pro-life splinter Church group. Once that religious bigot Chuck Schumer comes out against her, then she will have my full support.

73 posted on 10/05/2005 11:55:03 AM PDT by KC_Conspirator (This space outsourced to India)
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To: lentulusgracchus; Laissez-faire capitalist

Thought you both might be interested in the article/discussion.


74 posted on 10/05/2005 11:56:25 AM PDT by little jeremiah (A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, are incompatible with freedom. P. Henry)
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To: new yorker 77

She's goning to sneak in under the Democrat Radar and whack them like a direct hit by a Daisy-cutter.....

Stealth Tactics.

Gotta love it.


75 posted on 10/05/2005 11:57:50 AM PDT by roaddog727 (P=3/8 A. or, P=plenty...............)
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To: KC_Conspirator; Pessimist
The problem is that there is NO evidence to suggest this this.

Just keep repeating "I do believe. I do believe. I do. I do. I do..." and hope somebody brought the magic pixie dust.

76 posted on 10/05/2005 12:03:32 PM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: Vicomte13
How many times do we need to emphasize-and reiterate-this point?

This is not merely about a "vote."

The Supreme Court is not a legislative working group.

In order to repel the rampant anti-Constitutionalism that has become ingrained in the judicial mindset-and especially within the federal judiciary-over the course of the past fifty years you need someone with the intellectual depth and cohesiveness of philosophy to defend his or her beliefs in original intent.

If this were just a matter of acquiring a "vote," then President Bush could have just as easily appointed any one of a number of Republican lawyers with similar credentials.

77 posted on 10/05/2005 12:04:40 PM PDT by Do not dub me shapka broham ("I'm okay with being unimpressive. It helps me sleep better.")
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To: Prost1
best post of the day bump for Prostl.

So the lady's a neoconservative according to malkin.

Too bad. We need a paleoconservative.

78 posted on 10/05/2005 12:04:58 PM PDT by Jason_b
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To: Ramius

YOU SAID..."The constitution was not written by constitutional scholars. :-)"

No...it was written by a couple of guys whose IQ was probably off the chart.

Madison
Hamilton
Jefferson
a host of other eminent, learned men who contributed

No, these guys were superstars...and they got it just about perfect. Thats why no other country has got the system and Constitution we have.

To defend it against the bad intentions of those on the other side who are clever and smart and seek to corrupt its beauty...you need some real sharp people on our side on the SCOTUS.


79 posted on 10/05/2005 12:06:12 PM PDT by Dat Mon (still lookin for a good one....tagline)
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To: Dat Mon
Actually, Thomas Jefferson had no hand in the writing-or ratification-of the U.S. Constitution, other than the influence he exercised through correspondence-from the remote distance of a French ambassadorship-with his friend and ally, James Madison.

However, I'm sure that one of Harriet Myers' shameless sycophants will come along in the next few minutes to assert that she is not only the intellectual equal of Mr. Jefferson, and his Federalist counterparts, e.g. Madison, Jay and Hamilton, but their superior.

(Prolonged eye roll.)

80 posted on 10/05/2005 12:11:02 PM PDT by Do not dub me shapka broham ("I'm okay with being unimpressive. It helps me sleep better.")
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