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To: spunkets

"Not at all. (a) Reason, accountability, Free will and other similar objects depend upon physics for their very existence. (b) Without the physics, there is no machine to support rational thought and exercise Free will. (c) Those things don't exist on their own, (d) they are creations of the machine called mind. (e) Biologists know that those things are functions of the brain."

A is true
B is possibly true
C is possibly true
D is necessarily false (viewing mind as entirely machine) for any standard concept of free will
E is incorrect, as biologists have found many corollaries of consciousness, but this is improper to call these parts of consciousness itself.

Once you understand that viewing mind as a machine prohibits the possibility of free will, the rest of the argument falls apart.

"You realize that creationist means literal Gen and a 6 day creation?"

This is actually incorrect. A creationist is anyone who thinks that God created directly. Progressive creationists follow the geologic record. Young earth creationists are not necessarily tied to a young age of the cosmos (or even the earth), but more specifically the geologic column (See Roth's Origins: Linking Science and Scripture for the reasons).

I myself am a young-earth creationist, but there is no reason to necessarily link the word "creationist" with "young-earth creationist".


98 posted on 10/11/2005 7:33:51 AM PDT by johnnyb_61820
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To: johnnyb_61820
Re:(e) Biologists know that those things are functions of the brain."

" E is incorrect, as biologists have found many corollaries of consciousness, but this is improper to call these parts of consciousness itself. "

It's wrong to call known, demonstrated and understood function as "correlation". Altering the mechanics alters the function. That is a fundamental fact in psychology and pharmacology.

"Once you understand that viewing mind as a machine prohibits the possibility of free will, the rest of the argument falls apart."

You should be able to prove this and give an alternative explanation. Free will is a concept. Concepts can't exist w/o a physical machine to support their existence. That's axiomatic.

" there is no reason to necessarily link the word "creationist" with "young-earth creationist".

The word was coined in ~1860-70 meaning literal Gen. and young Earth creation. Just as their is no valid reason to change the definition of the word marriage, theirs none to change the meaning of this word.

99 posted on 10/11/2005 10:13:58 AM PDT by spunkets
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