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HARRIET MIERS WRITES -- YEESH
National Review Online -- The Corner ^ | October 8, 2005 | John Podhoretz

Posted on 10/08/2005 8:52:39 AM PDT by JCEccles

The lovably irascible Beldar, the Texas trial lawyer who is one of the two people on earth hotly defending the Miers nomination (the other being our buddy Hugh Hewitt), has posted a convenient link to articles written by Harriet Miers during one of her stints as a bar association honcho. He did this in part to address a charge I made on Hugh's show that Miers shouldn't be taken seriously because over the past 30 years of hot dispute on matters of constitutional law she hadn't published so much as an op-ed on a single topic of moment. Thank you, Beldar. But you shouldn't have. I mean, for Miers's sake, you really shouldn't have.

Miers's articles here are like all "Letters from the President" in all official publications -- cheery and happy-talky and utterly inane. They offer no reassurance that there is anything other than a perfectly functional but utterly ordinary intellect at work here.

Let me offer you an analogy. I was a talented high-school and college actor. I even considered trying it as a career at one time. As an adult, I've been in community theater productions (favorably reviewed in the Virginia local weekly supplement of the Washington Post, yet!) and spent a year or so performing improv comedy in New York. I'm a more than decent semi-pro. But if you took me today and gave me a leading role in the Royal Shakespeare Company where I would have to stand toe to toe with, say, Kenneth Branagh, Kevin Spacey, Meryl Streep, Kevin Kline and others, I would be hopelessly out of my depth. I would be able to give some kind of performance. But it would be a lousy performance, a nearly unwatchable performance.

Would that be because I hadn't acted at their level for a few decades? Would it be because I don't really have commensurate talent? Who knows? Who cares? I would stink. And based on the words she herself has written -- the clearest independent evidence we have of her capacity to reason and think and argue -- as a Supreme Court justice, Harriet Miers would be about as good.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: beldar; elitism; elitist; harrietmiers; johnpodhoretz; miers; podhoretz; scotus; snob
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1 posted on 10/08/2005 8:52:39 AM PDT by JCEccles
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To: JCEccles
National Review Online -- The Corner ^ | October 8, 2005 | John Podhoretz

These people are Northeastern elitist snobs.

2 posted on 10/08/2005 8:57:12 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Y'shua <==> YHvH is my Salvation (Psalm 118-14))
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To: JCEccles

Souter in drag.


3 posted on 10/08/2005 8:57:20 AM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: JCEccles

I've only read one piece of her writing, I must confess. But I found it flat and unimpressive. I had much the same impression as this. Whatever you think of Podhoretz, he's a fine stylist, and he knows whereof he speaks.

Shakespeare says that "style is the man." Read any editorial by Maureen Dowd and you quickly understand what kind of mind she has. There's nothing like that in Miers's style, but to me it reveals a pedestrian mind, very dangerous among the sharks on the Supreme Court. Yes, she's a convinced Christian and a successful office manager. But I've yet to be convinced that she can stand up to the pressures on SCOTUS.


4 posted on 10/08/2005 8:58:46 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: JCEccles

Muscular, effective, incisive, painstakingly accurate writing is a SCOTUS jusctice's stock in trade. Miers' "golly glittering gee" writing fails by any reasonable measure.


5 posted on 10/08/2005 8:59:42 AM PDT by JCEccles
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To: JCEccles
I have far more respect for Beldar's view of Miers over elitist John Podhoretz's.

http://beldar.blogs.com/beldarblog/
6 posted on 10/08/2005 8:59:51 AM PDT by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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To: XeniaSt

Does this make them wrong? Are you not just speaking from the vantage point of another sort of snobbery?


7 posted on 10/08/2005 9:00:02 AM PDT by oblomov
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To: Travis McGee
Souter in drag.

Or maybe..

Harriet Day O'Miers

8 posted on 10/08/2005 9:01:06 AM PDT by shempy (EABOF)
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To: JCEccles
John Podhoretz

Whaa She is NOT my choice!!! Whaaa! Funny how all these NRO clowns seem to forget that Souter, Ginsburg, Kennedy, Stevens WERE the product of this elitist Judaical activist system they are so desperate advocating. Maybe they might ask themselves WHY Renquest was NOT?

9 posted on 10/08/2005 9:01:08 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Proud Member of the Water Bucket Brigade)
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To: shempy
The negativity of DU seems to have infected FR these last few days.
10 posted on 10/08/2005 9:02:39 AM PDT by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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To: JCEccles
He did this in part to address a charge I made on Hugh's show that Miers shouldn't be taken seriously because over the past 30 years of hot dispute on matters of constitutional law she hadn't published so much as an op-ed on a single topic of moment.

John Pod is an op-ed writer. John Pod thinks that op-ed writing is a qualification for SC judges. John Pod is op-ed-centric

11 posted on 10/08/2005 9:02:41 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Travis McGee
Souter in drag.

Funny how Souter was the pick of the Republican Establishment not Bush Sr. Funny how these same people called Thomas, Bush Sr's personal pick, "More Souter then Bork". Also kind of curious how all the same people started saying the same things about Roberts.

12 posted on 10/08/2005 9:02:52 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Proud Member of the Water Bucket Brigade)
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To: XeniaSt

"These people are Northeastern elitist snobs."

Thats Bull. And a vain attempt to attack the messenger. I read NRO daily and love it - and I'm a Texas redneck.

Miers is way out of her depth. I don't think she's capable of writing a dissenting opinion that won't be laughed at in Austin.

Face it, she was a bad pick for SCOTUS. I hope she's defeated so we can nominate someone of Scalia's or Bork's caliber.


13 posted on 10/08/2005 9:03:21 AM PDT by Fenris6 (3 Purple Hearts in 4 months w/o missing a day of work? He's either John Rambo or a Fraud)
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To: JCEccles

0 + Podhoretz's opinions = 0


14 posted on 10/08/2005 9:03:36 AM PDT by silent_jonny (Conservatism Means Optimism -- Be Optimistic!)
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To: JCEccles
no reassurance that there is anything other than a perfectly functional but utterly ordinary intellect at work here

I very much understand this perspective. However, the more I keep reading the "we must have academic excellence" argument being used against Miers the more it rankles. I wonder why? I have an advanced degree from one of the top engineering schools in the US. At the same time I've found that just plain folks with "utterly ordinary intellects" can do quite well in sorting through thorny and complex questions about adhering to the founder's original intent in the Constitition. My goodness, this woman is being portrayed as a silly simpleton Aunt Bea character. It's not like Cindy Sheehan was nominated. And don't anyone tell me "we just don't know" because we just didn't know about Roberts either - we just took the pundit's and politician's word about it. Sure some folks probably did pull Robert's papers and actually read them. I would guess that most just read what others said about him. This is more about a power struggle within the Republican party than whether or not Miers is "acceptable". Let's not piss off too many people as we choose the next direction for the party shall we? In other words, let's not lose the war to win the battle.

15 posted on 10/08/2005 9:04:54 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: JCEccles

John Pod refuses to acknowledge her article in Texas Lawyer.

Jackass.


16 posted on 10/08/2005 9:06:07 AM PDT by rwfromkansas (http://www.xanga.com/home.aspx?user=rwfromkansas)
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To: MNJohnnie
My main problem is that this is the WORST form of croneyism, and beneath the dignity of either the Presidency or the SCOTUS.

How is this different than a king promoting a loyal buddy/vassal to Duke, and awarding him a castle and fiefdom?

SCOTUS positions should not be handed out to loyal vassals who are just buddies of the king.

This is the future of America we're talking about, it's damn serious.

SCOTUS spots are not just trinkets to hand to pals, because you like them.
17 posted on 10/08/2005 9:06:18 AM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: MNJohnnie

"Whaa She is NOT my choice!!! Whaaa! Funny how all these NRO clowns seem to forget that Souter, Ginsburg, Kennedy, Stevens WERE the product of this elitist Judaical activist system they are so desperate advocating. Maybe they might ask themselves WHY Renquest was NOT?"

Yup, elitist is elitist, left or right. These chumps like pod person just don't like the fact Miers isn't one of them...the self appointed almighty highmasters of the world.

Get over it crybabies, she is going to be confirmed and you are going to get atomic wedgies!


18 posted on 10/08/2005 9:06:56 AM PDT by fizziwig
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To: GarySpFc
The negativity of DU seems to have infected FR these last few days.

Agreed.

19 posted on 10/08/2005 9:07:18 AM PDT by silent_jonny (Conservatism Means Optimism -- Be Optimistic!)
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To: GarySpFc
The negativity of DU seems to have infected FR these last few days.

Also the utter brainlessness....

20 posted on 10/08/2005 9:07:32 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: FreeReign

Pod is willingly ignoring the fact that she HAS written opinion pieces before, most notably on the Second Amendment in which she said it was an individual right and that even in the toughest of times, it should not be restricted!


21 posted on 10/08/2005 9:07:35 AM PDT by rwfromkansas (http://www.xanga.com/home.aspx?user=rwfromkansas)
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To: JCEccles
Apparently Poddunce was as bad an actor as he is a writer! He can basically say the same thing about himself as he criticized Miers about!

Pray for W and Our Harriet Miers

22 posted on 10/08/2005 9:07:46 AM PDT by bray (Pray for the Freedom of the Iraqis from Islam)
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To: Cicero
I've yet to be convinced that she can stand up to the pressures on SCOTUS.

Right a political running for the Dallas City Council who tells a Gay activist group that she would NOT support efforts to repeal the Texas Sodomy Law is REALLY going "buckle" under the pressure. A person who, unlike ANY "hero" of the Conservative Legal Establishment, has put in writing her clear cut support for the 2nd Amendment as a personal Right is going to be a "weak" choice" A devote Christian secure and active in her faith despite all the derision that probably causes among her glib Establishment co workers is REALLY going be a weak kneed as say...Oh any of the 90 Senators who voted this week for the Terrorist Protection amendment.

Sorry, you are still grasping at straws to rationalize the position you WANT to adopt Marcus.

23 posted on 10/08/2005 9:08:40 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Proud Member of the Water Bucket Brigade)
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To: JCEccles
They offer no reassurance that there is anything other than a perfectly functional but utterly ordinary intellect at work here.

Sounds a lot better IMO than the frickin' socialist geniuses that have been running our lives for the last 70 years.

What do I know? I'm just an utterly ordinary gnarly old nail banger.

24 posted on 10/08/2005 9:08:45 AM PDT by metesky (This land was your land, this land is MY land; I bought the rights from a town selectman!)
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To: GarySpFc
Hey, I said "maybe". Your pal Senator Brownback has expressed his own doubts, after having met with her. If an upstanding Republican Senator like Brownback has doubts in Bush's ability to discern the judicial reliability of this candidate, then I don't think this doubt is a Democratic Underground trait.
25 posted on 10/08/2005 9:08:59 AM PDT by shempy (EABOF)
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To: MNJohnnie
The negativity of DU seems to have infected FR these last few days.

They are among us. Search out some of these posters and read everything they have posted. They are doing their best to be "clever".

26 posted on 10/08/2005 9:09:47 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: JCEccles
"Would that be because I hadn't acted at their level for a few decades? Would it be because I don't really have commensurate talent? Who knows? Who cares?"

That just about sums it up for me. I hope Miers is as strict a constructionist as is sorely needed on the Court at this point in time. I also hope she has the intellect to navigate the shoals of open ended intrusion of the Courts in every facet of our lives. I just don't see an exceptional candidate in this nomination. Rather a trusted counselor to the President who hopefully satisfies these requirements. Unfortunately, nothing I've seen or heard supports this assumption and I just wish W would stop ignoring the needs of his very supportive base (Immigration, Spending, etc.) and provide some reasonable return on this support.

If she isn't able to fulfill these needs, whether because she is not of sufficient talent, intellect or perseverance, who cares. The result will still be the same and the base will be disappointed once again - Including yours truly. I just think this is a needless risk that could have been eliminated with another choice.

27 posted on 10/08/2005 9:10:27 AM PDT by drt1
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To: JCEccles; XeniaSt; MNJohnnie; GarySpFc

The Supreme Court IS an elite institution. It's opinions will be studied by every law student in the country, argued over in every moot court, taught in every university.

If you believe that excellence matters, there is no reason to put an unqualified crony on the court who will be completely out of her depth and intellectually utterly unable to hold her own.

Since when is respect for excellence snobbery ?


28 posted on 10/08/2005 9:10:34 AM PDT by Sam the Sham (A conservative party tough on illegal immigration could carry California in 2008)
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To: Cicero
I didn't know style points were part of the requirement for a justice.

These people are not convincing me. The longer they rant, the less I respect them. They apparently think that their continuing tirades are going to somehow make President Bush withdraw her name.

He has done what he felt was right for 5 years, despite the best efforts of the Mainstream Media with their constant attcks and outright lies. He really isn't going to care what those guys on the National Review say, either.

29 posted on 10/08/2005 9:11:20 AM PDT by Miss Marple (Lord, please look after Mozart Lover's son and keep him strong.)
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To: JCEccles

W has finally succeeded in his goal of uniting the country; conservatives and liberals alike AGAINST him.

But, W is playing a very smart hand of poker; while the conservative elites want to go all in, with a hand they have low odds of winning (foolishly putting up a Brown or Luttig, knowing they will get filibustered and not having the votes to ensure winning), W knows that with his choice he has excellent odds of winning (getting another reliable conservative vote on the Court)


30 posted on 10/08/2005 9:12:01 AM PDT by Newtoidaho (Coulter:"Even with hindsight, liberals can't see straight")
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To: Travis McGee
SCOTUS positions should not be handed out to loyal vassals who are just buddies of the king.
A) What insider information do you have, please tell us, that you know this is what Bush is doing? Or, is this just your idle speculation? [My guess: the latter choice]
B) Your use of the word "king" gives you away.
31 posted on 10/08/2005 9:12:05 AM PDT by Clara Lou
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To: silent_jonny

I couldn't agree more on Podhoretz. He can't write. He can't think. He's just a hack. His opinions are worthless.


32 posted on 10/08/2005 9:12:42 AM PDT by WashingtonSource (Freedom is not free.)
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To: rhombus
At the same time I've found that just plain folks with "utterly ordinary intellects" can do quite well in sorting through thorny and complex questions about adhering to the founder's original intent in the Constitition.

Exactly. Our problem is not in rarefied questions of interpretation in cases that most honest people would flip a coin over. Our problem is with cases where most honest people would see the answer as obvious, but which Elitists don't like, because it doesn't advance their policy objectives.

I would take an honest, decent woman's vote on the court any day over an a dishonest elitist who votes wrong reluctantly because they cannot stand the policy implications of an honest vote.

33 posted on 10/08/2005 9:13:52 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: Cicero
But I've yet to be convinced that she can stand up to the pressures on SCOTUS.

What pressures would those be? Losing her job? Anyone else here have a guaranteed job for life?

Maybe you mean that the other 8 justices will look down on her and it will hurt her feelings? I don't think so.

She doesn't even have to write anything if she doesn't want to. All she has to do is vote and sign on to a decision or a dissent written by somebody else.

Not saying whether or not she will be a good justice. Jury is still out on that.

But please -- pressures? I'd swap her job pressures for mine any day of the week.

34 posted on 10/08/2005 9:14:31 AM PDT by Maceman (Fake But Accurate)
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To: Fenris6
I'm a Texas redneck.

I see by your flag your are a northeastern snob! Most likely on the beltway.

Miers would be the first born again Christian in seventy years.

I'll go with a spirit filled born again follower of the Christ , Y'shua

b'shem Y'shua

35 posted on 10/08/2005 9:14:54 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Y'shua <==> YHvH is my Salvation (Psalm 118-14))
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To: Sam the Sham
If you believe that excellence matters, there is no reason to put an unqualified crony on the court who will be completely out of her depth and intellectually utterly unable to hold her own. Since when is respect for excellence snobbery ?

Everything you say may be true. How do you know? Well you trust your pudits. Maybe that's enough. I don't know myself. People I very much trust don't like her either but people I do trust do support her. If she can't stand up well to the Senate, I'll join you. Right now I'm waiting for something other than a particular branch of the Repbulican party to try and make a decision. I've noted their opinions as I always do.

36 posted on 10/08/2005 9:15:12 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: GarySpFc
The negativity of DU seems to have infected FR these last few days.

No kidding.

37 posted on 10/08/2005 9:15:38 AM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007 (We DARE Defend Our Rights [Alabama State Motto])
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To: JCEccles

Great article for a piece written by an ego-centric idiot.

Let's see one sentence about the subject, Meirs:

The rest of the piece about John Podhoretz.


It's a me, me, me, me, mini-me world


38 posted on 10/08/2005 9:17:14 AM PDT by aShepard
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To: MNJohnnie
A person who, unlike ANY "hero" of the Conservative Legal Establishment, has put in writing her clear cut support for the 2nd Amendment as a personal Right

Robert Bork is one such "hero," and check out some his his words on the matter:

"The Second Amendment was designed to allow states to defend themselves against a possibly tyrannical national government. Now that the federal government has stealth bombers and nuclear weapons, it is hard to imagine what people would need to keep in the garage to serve that purpose.'' - R. Bork

Ole Borkie got what he deserved.

39 posted on 10/08/2005 9:18:18 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: XeniaSt

"I see by your flag your are a northeastern snob! Most likely on the beltway."

Born and raised in Dallas, Tx. Six years infantry US Marine Corps. Currently serving my party in the "beltway".

Nice try. Mier's is still the wrong choice for SCOTUS.


40 posted on 10/08/2005 9:18:23 AM PDT by Fenris6 (3 Purple Hearts in 4 months w/o missing a day of work? He's either John Rambo or a Fraud)
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To: MNJohnnie
Meanwhile, the watchdog group Accuracy in Media says some members of the conservative media are distorting portions of Harriett Mier's record. AIM says reports that the Supreme Court nominee is on record supporting the establishment of the International Criminal Court and homosexual adoptions are erroneous.

"There's no evidence for the charge," says AIM's Cliff Kincaid, adding that the "documents" allegedly supporting the reports have been "seriously distorted by WorldNetDaily and other outlets."

AIM also says a Chicago Sun-Times columnist is guilty of perpetuating the inaccurate reports. The columnist, Robert Novak, wrote that Miers chaired a panel the "recommended legalization of gay adoption and establishment of an International Criminal Court." But Kincaid says Miers was chair of a panel that simply passed along recommendations from various entities in the American Bar Association for consideration by members of the ABA.

AIM says "there's no evidence that [Miers] put her personal stamp of approval on those controversial positions."

41 posted on 10/08/2005 9:18:25 AM PDT by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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To: WashingtonSource
I couldn't agree more on Podhoretz. He can't write. He can't think. He's just a hack. His opinions are worthless.

I'm not sure about Miers but the fact that Podhoretz opposes her makes me think she may be a good choice.

42 posted on 10/08/2005 9:18:31 AM PDT by Diago (http://www.freekatie.net/)
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To: JCEccles

Great article for a piece written by an ego-centric idiot.

Let's see one sentence about the subject, Meirs:

The rest of the piece about John Podhoretz.


It's a me, me, me, me, mini-me world


43 posted on 10/08/2005 9:19:00 AM PDT by aShepard
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To: Clara Lou
Clara, face it. If Harriet wasn't W's pal, she'd wouldn't be on the "short list" of 10,000 for SCOTUS.

"Pal of the President" is NOT a qualification for SCOTUS.

That's just croneyism. And I DON'T trust W., not when he's left the border wide open, 4 years after 9-11, and promoted a bubble-headed cluless Barbie doll named Julie Meyers to head ICE. Even she admitted she knows NOTHING about the job. She is, in civil service terms, MAYBE a Major, being promoted to a three star general! PURE croneyism, above national security!

These are serious times, NOT a time to reward personal buddies and nieces of the powerful to critical postitions!

44 posted on 10/08/2005 9:19:13 AM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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45 posted on 10/08/2005 9:19:15 AM PDT by JCEccles
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To: Miss Marple

"The longer they rant, the less I respect them."

Agreed. And when they claim that publishing op-ed pieces is the test for SCOTUS, my lack of respect becomes disgust.


46 posted on 10/08/2005 9:21:06 AM PDT by hsalaw
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To: marktwain
Our problem is not in rarefied questions of interpretation in cases that most honest people would flip a coin over. Our problem is with cases where most honest people would see the answer as obvious, but which Elitists don't like, because it doesn't advance their policy objectives.

Well said. Obviously you have a higher degree from a top university and stand head and shoulders above the common dirt clods who usually infect this place. Everyone knows you can vote for something before you vote against it. See you around the Vinyard.

47 posted on 10/08/2005 9:21:40 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: Travis McGee

We're infested with the same quality minds, that in the other camp, continue to slobber over all things Clinton.

Bush could nominate a steaming pile and we'd hear, Oh, such brilliant strategery!


48 posted on 10/08/2005 9:21:54 AM PDT by the gillman@blacklagoon.com ( Welcome to the Canexico Community!)
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To: JCEccles
Oh great job with that elitism thingy, Pod.

So, first argument - Miers went to the wrong school. That one flopped.

Now, second argument - She doesn't write like an elitist snob. I doubt this will work much better.

Try again, loser.
49 posted on 10/08/2005 9:22:12 AM PDT by KingKongCobra (Trying to save the "Donner Party" from themselves.)
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To: drt1
I hope Miers is as strict a constructionist as is sorely needed on the Court at this point in time.

When Miers nomination was first announced I phoned my buddy in Dallas and asked if any of his friends knew Miers. It turns out his dad knew her. He stated, "I have known her since she was on the city council. Even then she was a stickler for going by the city charter, and often stated the courts are out of control, and we need to get back to the Founders original intent."
50 posted on 10/08/2005 9:22:19 AM PDT by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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